Need help please! Lost settings

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Need help please! Lost settings

I've been patiently waiting for the Windows 8 release because I've been running Windows 7 32 bit.
 
So last weekend I upgraded to Windows 8 64 bit (full format and install) and I spent the last four days reinstalling all my music software.
 
I was organizing and cleaning up my samples and projects drive the entire time I was installing stuff. The process I went through to install was first to install my Novation SLII, then X2, FL studio, and reason. Then I went and installed all my VST's. After each install I would open sonar and make sure everything was working and registered/authorized.
 
Finally I was still moving around some files and somehow I lost all my X2 settings. Now every time I open X2 it does a long vst scan (like 5 minutes long) then doesn't show any project templates except "normal" , "-- blank project -- ", and "-- Play list Set --" on the new project dialog screen. Selecting "normal" takes me to a really minimal screen missing all the usual stuff. It's basically just the main track window with no tracks (a la cakewalk version 6.0). I can still get to everything (it's all there if I open the windows), but if I save a project it can't find it after I open again.
 
My main cakewalk folders are all on "C" drive, but I save all the rest of the data to the "F" drive and in the "C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR X2" directory it has a working shortcut to the data on F. Something is obviously not working with this. 
 
Should I reinstall? If so, how can I do it without having to reinstall all my vsts? I'm not concerned about projects because they are all backed up on a different drive (with saved audio data folders).
 
OR should I point the folder locations directly to the "F" drive folders?
 
What is the safest, fastest, and best way to get this cleaned up and working correctly?
 
BTW - Since I was worried about compatibility of some of my plugins I went ahead and installed the 32 version of sonar X2. My windows upgrade was mainly so I could take advantage of the 16gb of ram in my system (which makes a huge difference btw). Should I just reinstall with 64bit sonar and take a jump? Is there a big performance boost going to 64 bit X2?
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    robert_e_bone
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/01 00:12:07 (permalink)
    You have to tell Sonar where you put all of the things it is looking for.  

    Edit>Preferences>File>Folder Locations has the labels on the left.  If you have moved things around and not reflected those moves here then OBVIOUSLY Sonar will not have a clue.

    If you want the folders to live on your F drive then just move them there and change the drive letter for the defaults that Sonar set up during the install.  I don't know what you did with all of that roaming stuff, but why make things hard on yourself and on Sonar?

    Installed VST plugins need their paths declared to the Cakewalk Plugin Manager.  End of story - it's not rocket science, add the paths.

    To the question on the 64-bit advantages - you get 4 GB of address space in 32-bit Windows, and you can address up to 192 GB in 64-bit Windows.  The main advantage is that you can load a LOT more stuff into a project with less headaches, and it will also perform better.

    Bob Bone


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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/01 00:34:42 (permalink)
    No I meant the 32 bit version of sonar on Windows 8 64 bit.

    Also, I know about the various file locations, my issue is I installed it correctly, but somehow the links got broken.
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/01 01:34:33 (permalink)
    Well, setting everything to the F drive with all the folders and files in order did not fix the problem, guess I'm reinstalling.

    Any big benefit to installing the 64 bit version OF SONAR rather then the 32 bit version? Enough benefit to make up for the few vst reinstalls (because I only installed the 32 versions) I will need to do?
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/01 01:43:13 (permalink)
    Bob already answered the 64bit question. 32Bit SONAR cannot access all the RAM in your PC. 64bit SONAR can make use of the all the RAM in your PC. You would use 64bit SONAR for the same reason you installed the 64bit version of the OS, to make better use of your PCs resources.
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/01 05:38:15 (permalink)
    Ahh ok, thanks. So it's sonar(the actual app itself) that would need 64 bit in order to take advantage of the ram, I thought it was just a windows thing.

    I still haven't reinstalled, but I guess I'll be spending another weekend this weekend re-setting up my daw studio.
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/01 05:47:35 (permalink)
    It's both.

    You need a 64 bit OS AND 64 bit Sonar in order to utilise > 4Gb of RAM

    CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/01 07:45:39 (permalink)
    Slumber dude, you will be VERY happy with the 64-bit time investment in installing 64-bit versions of all that you can.

    As to your settings issues, can you please elaborate on what you had posted earlier?  Here is what I would like you to explain a bit more on: 

    "My main cakewalk folders are all on "C" drive, but I save all the rest of the data to the "F" drive and in the "C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR X2" directory it has a working shortcut to the data on F. Something is obviously not working with this. "


    I would like to better understand how you have folders and content placed on your machine, and its relation to precisely the paths you have in Folder Locations in Preferences.  So, for example, what is the precise folder location on your computer for the Project Templates folder, and what precisely do you have specified in the Folder Locations path for Project Templates?  Also, have you verified that the Project Templates folder actually does contain all of the templates it is supposed to? 


    On my computer, I also moved most non-program content to a physically different drive than I use for the OS and the programs.  My primary drive for OS and programs is my 'C' drive, and content and such goes to my 'D' drive.


    My path to the Cakewalk Content folder is now: 'D:\Cakewalk Content\SONAR X2 Producer'.  Its internal structure (folders and sub-content) are unchanged from the original installation, the whole folder was moved just by changing the 'C' to a 'D' during install.  So, folders like: instruments, Metronome, Project Templates, Track Templates, etc., are still in the Cakewalk Content folder.

    Did you do the above differently?  If so, what did you do?

    Thanks - we'll try to help you get this straight, 

    Bob Bone





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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/02 02:24:04 (permalink)
    Thanks for the helpful reply Bob, it's really appreciated that you seem to care.

    Well as I write this I'm currently reinstalling and going with 64 bit. Something must have gotten corrupted while I was installing plugins with my first install because I had installed same as you did (just switched the drive to my "F" drive) . The reason I think this is a corruption issue is because the sonar workspace was messed up. It had two copies of the main screen, one below the other and you could not go to the one sitting behind. Also, the console was missing and required me resetting all the window locations when I would open it.

    Here are the details:
    1. In the paths for the folder locations in settings they were all correct.
    2. I verified all the data was there (all templates and usual data).
    3. My system details:
      1. Modified Dell OptiPlex 990, 16gb ram, Win 8 64 bit, Radeon HD6790, 500w psu, 2 - 23" 2210 dell monitors.
      2. C: 130 GB Intel SSD
      3. E: Intel performance raid 500gb (now my audio app data drive)
      4. F: Intel performance raid 500gb (now my samples drive)
    BTW, I never manually set anything to the appdata or "roaming" directories, I just found that searching around for cakewalk files.
    post edited by slumbermachine - 2012/11/02 02:52:13
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/02 02:29:36 (permalink)
    Here are my reinstall settings:

    Destination location:
          C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X2 Producer
          C:\Program Files\VstPlugins (VSTi)
          C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\ (Shared Components)
          E:\Cakewalk Content\Perfect Space\ (Perfect Space Content)
          E:\Cakewalk Content\RXP\ (RXP Content)
          E:\Cakewalk Content\Session Drummer 3\ (Session Drummer 3 Content)
          E:\Cakewalk Content\ (Application Content)
    Setup type:
          Recommended Installation
    Selected components:
          Program Files
          Audio Plugins
             Alias Factor
             Analyst
             Boost 11 Peak Limiter
             Bit Meter
             Classic Phaser
             Channel Tools
             Compressor/Gate
             FX2 AmpSim
             FX2 TapeSim
             HF Exciter
             LP-64 Multiband
             LP-64 EQ
             Modfilter
             Multivoice Chorus/Flanger
             Para-Q
             Perfect Space Convolution Reverb
             Pitch
             PX-64 Percussion Strip
             Reverb
             Sonitus fx:Compressor
             Sonitus fx:Surround Compressor
             Sonitus fx:Delay
             Sonitus fx:EQ
             Sonitus fx:Gate
             Sonitus fx:Modulator
             Sonitus fx:Multiband
             Sonitus fx:Phase
             Sonitus fx:Reverb
             Sonitus fx:Surround
             Sonitus fx:Wahwah
             Tempo Delay
             TS-64 Transient Shaper
             TL-64 TubeLeveler
             R-Mix SONAR Edition
             TH2 Producer
             BREVERB SONAR
             Vintage Channel
             VX-64 Vocal Strip
          MIDI Plugins
             MFX Arpeggiator
             MFX Change Velocity
             MFX Chord Analyzer
             MFX Echo/Delay
             MFX Event Filter
             MFX Quantize
             MFX Transpose
          Soft Synths
             Cakewalk Sound Center
             Cakewalk TTS-1
             Cyclone
             Dropzone VSTi
             Pentagon 1
             PSYN II
             Rapture VSTi
             Roland GrooveSynth
             RXP REX Player
             Session Drummer 3
             Square I
             Studio Instruments Suite
             SFZ Soundfont Player
             TruePianos
             z3ta+ VSTi
          Sample Files
             Bundle (.CWB) Files
             Project (.CWP) Files
             Template (.CWT) Files
             Tutorial Files
             MIDI Groove Clips
          Libraries
             Drum Maps
             Instrument Definitions
             CAL Files
             Layouts
             Track Icons
             Track Templates
     
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/02 02:45:10 (permalink)
    Nope, reinstalling did not fix the problem.
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/02 02:50:39 (permalink)
    ok, I figured out what was causing the graphic problem (not the missing data, but the second screen on the workspace). It was caused by the AMD catalyst control monitor setting of "eyefinity" which is a "smart" desktop extension to the second monitor.

    Well, there is a bug for cakewalk QA engineers to file. It's pretty bad one.

    I still have the missing project templates and other data though. Will need to continue to look for a solution to that problem. Looks to be another bug for cakewalk QA.
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    Re:Need help please! Lost settings 2012/11/02 07:00:33 (permalink)
    Thanks for all of the detail.  As a suggestion, edit your forum profile, and add your system specs to your signature, and then for the rest of time anybody can see at a glance what kind of computer specs you have.

    "Finally I was still moving around some files and somehow I lost all my X2 settings. Now every time I open X2 it does a long vst scan (like 5 minutes long) then doesn't show any project templates except "normal" , "-- blank project -- ", and "-- Play list Set --" on the new project dialog screen. Selecting "normal" takes me to a really minimal screen missing all the usual stuff. It's basically just the main track window with no tracks (a la cakewalk version 6.0). I can still get to everything (it's all there if I open the windows), but if I save a project it can't find it after I open again. "



    Please forgive me, I am still a bit confused, and I want to make sure I completely understand each of the above issues. 
     
    1. Are you still having the VST scan issue?  My X2 is set to scan for new plugins on start up, but this only takes a few seconds.  Make sure in Preferences>Midi>VST Settings that just that first check box is checked ('Scan for VST Plugins On Start up').  This will skip ones that it finds that have already been scanned, if everything ELSE is set up correctly.  

    The next place to look is in Utilities>Cakewalk Plugin Manager.  When that happens, you see a list of types of plugins on the left.  Click on VST Instruments (VSTi), and you should see the list in the pane to the right of that showing the synths that it found on its last scan.  Missing ones are either in a folder not included in the path list, or were excluded due to some other reason - compatibility or whatever.  You can also check your VST Audio Effects by clicking on the effects in that pane on the left and you should see those as well appear in the pane to the right.

    If you see Effects and Instruments showing up in the pane on the right, but X2 is STILL scanning every time on start up, then you need to see what you have checked for VST Scan Options.  To look at these, from the Cakewalk Plugin Manager, look at the bottom under VST Configuration, and click on Options.  Make sure you do NOT have either of the two check boxes checked (re-scan failed and re-scan existing), as these tell Sonar you want to re-scan every time you start up.

    OK, so check the above for this issue, and next time X2 starts note the behavior and please post back with specific results on whether or not X2 is still doing the long scan on start up.  The above will hopefully take care of this issue.

    2.  You report having an issue with missing Project Templates.  OK, so you did a re-install and still have this issue.  In an earlier post in this thread you indicate that you have your re-install destination settings as follows:

    Destination location: 
          C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X2 Producer 
          C:\Program Files\VstPlugins (VSTi) 
          C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\ (Shared Components) 
          E:\Cakewalk Content\Perfect Space\ (Perfect Space Content) 
          E:\Cakewalk Content\RXP\ (RXP Content) 
          E:\Cakewalk Content\Session Drummer 3\ (Session Drummer 3 Content) 
          E:\Cakewalk Content\ (Application Content) 
       You have your Cakewalk Content folder set to go to your 'E' drive, which you also indicated is your audio application data drive, and yet you also posted that you changed all the folders and such to point to the 'F' drive, which you indicate is for your sample data.

    Please try this - in Preferences>File>Folder Locations, I would like you to use the 'browse for folder' button for finding and selecting each of the component folder locations.  The button is to the right of the path, and appears for each path location.  X2 uses Windows file open dialog boxes (a Windows standard api) to open/select things like Projects and Templates and such.  Unless all of Windows is broken, unlikely, then there is most likely an incorrect folder path specified.  By using the 'Browse' button to navigate and select each of these component folders, you will eliminate path errors, as you will be selecting actual paths as seen by Windows, and not paths simply typed in - which could be wrong.
    The Browse button has the little horizontal dots on it - so use that to replace whatever you have specified for EACH of the component folder paths with an actual folder as found by you navigating to wherever each folder actually lives on your computer, and this should eliminate any issues with broken paths.  Please note that doing this does NOT address things missing from individual folders, it only addresses making sure that the folder paths are in fact real.

    Now, AFTER doing the above, I would like you to verify that the actual CONTENTS of the Project Templates folder are really there.  You indicate in your posts that you only have Blank, Normal, and Play List Set.  Use Windows Explorer to navigate to the exact same Project Templates folder that you have specified in Edit>Preferences>Files>Folder Locations for Project Templates, and open up that folder and look at the directory list of contents.  Please then post back with an indication as to there being more than those 3 Project Templates present or not.  There SHOULD be things like 16-Track Audio, Electronic, Surround (several flavors of that) and some others.  I would like a SPECIFIC indication as to whether or not more than the 3 you posted about are in that folder.

    Please additionally note that the Normal project template does NOT have any tracks present in it, and in fact does not have much in it at all.  Your post indicated that you were expecting more, but by default there is just not much there.  You also indicated that when you open things everything is there (was a little confusing how you phrased it), so I am thinking that what you see is what is by design for that template.  I created an alternate Normal template with things set up the way I want for a default, and then overwrote the original Normal project template with my alternative settings and such.  Alternatively, you could create such a layout, but then save it under a new project template name, like Normal - Split Console, or whatever you wanted to call it.  This would preserve the original Normal project template, if you felt a need to do so.


    3.  If I save a project I can't find it on open.  I would like a bit more of an explanation of this issue.  If what I think you are trying to say is that you are clicking on the quick list of projects that appears when you start X2, then what may be happening is that what is in that list is pointing to a project of the same name that was saved in some other location where that location is no longer valid.  This would happen if you moved a project folder outside of X2.  I would like you to use File>Open and then you should see all the projects present in the Cakewalk Projects folder that is specified in Edit>Preferences>File>Folder Locations for the Projects Files path.  All of your projects should be in this folder, and I want you to post back on whether or not your 'missing' projects are actually in this folder, and ALSO whether or not you can successfully open them using this technique.  If they open properly here, then what is stored in the quick list at start up would appear to be pointing to an invalid location.

    SOOOOOOOOOO, please review all of the above - sorry for the length, I am just trying to mail this all down for you and want to be specific so that I completely understand the issues you report, and that you understand how to correct them, if in fact my understandings are correct.  If I have missed the mark on any of the above, please also post back to correct my understanding of any of the issues, so that I can better help you.

    Thanks, 

    Bob Bone







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