Changing the default plug-in menu layout

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2012/11/01 07:11:10 (permalink)

Changing the default plug-in menu layout

Hi,
I can't find a way of getting Sonar to default to my customised instruments plug-in menu layout rather than Sonar's existing default. I've tried saving my layout in the normal template, and it works for FX, but not Instruments.

Any suggestions?

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 07:51:35 (permalink)
    I haven't used them, but would a screen set accomplish this for you?

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 08:28:36 (permalink)
    Hi Bob,
    My Normal Template already has screensets in it. It appears to be a bug in that I can save my FX layout, but the Instruments one always defaults to the "Default All Plug-ins" layout

    Maybe I should spend less time setting things up and actually get on with making music
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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 08:31:55 (permalink)
    I haven't set one up in X2 yet, but they worked fine in X1 & all previous versions.



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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 09:00:59 (permalink)
    Bristol_Jonesey


    I haven't set one up in X2 yet, but they worked fine in X1 & all previous versions.


    Yes, so it might be something I'm doing wrong. If you get round to setting up a layout, then I'd love to know whether you get it to work (for instruments as well as effects)
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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 09:04:04 (permalink)
      One thing I've noticed is that if I use Windows explorer to navigate to the folder with my templates in and double click on Normal.cwt, I get the expected behaviour.

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    Er.... no I don't. Sorry 

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 09:52:53 (permalink)
    Maybe your shades are too dark?

    I dunno what is happening there - sorry.  After I take a nap I will play around with it a bit and see what turns up at my end.

    Hopefully it's something simple, 

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 10:12:37 (permalink)
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    Maybe your shades are too dark?

      

    Lol, that's not a picture of me. It's just some random cool-looking dude.

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 10:43:20 (permalink)
    Here is what I just did and it seems to work.

    In the browser click on the Plugins tab
    Click on the Instruments button
    Select "Manage Layouts..." from the Plugins dropdown
    Rearranged the synths in the plugin manager
    Click the save icon
    Add description "X2 Producer Instruments"
    Add file name "X2 Producer Instruments.pgl" and save
    Select "X2 Producer Instruments" from Plugins dropdown in browser

    The browser retains and displays the Instrument layout I select in the project.
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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 11:04:52 (permalink)
    Thanks scook. When I do what you've describe, the layout gets saved for that project, but not in the normal template (at least for instruments). I'm not sure whether you're refering to the project or the template.
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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 11:12:48 (permalink)
    I just loaded my normal.cwt, it was there.
    I just created a new project using my normal template and it was there.
    Maybe some of your file paths are pointing to the wrong directories.
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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 11:27:00 (permalink)
    scook


      Maybe some of your file paths are pointing to the wrong directories.


    Yeah, I was thinking the same, so I created a test template with my new layout. When I open a new file based on this template, I get the correct behaviour.

    Then I renamed the test.cwt to Normal.cwt, both these were in the same folder, so I think Sonar's looking in the right place, and strangely, I get the old behaviour, i.e. it doesn't default to my layout.

    This is bugging me rather than causing a problem. Perhaps I should just get used to picking my layout every time I start a new project.

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 11:38:13 (permalink)
    Do a search for .pgl files and make sure you have "show hidden files/folders" selected.  You will find the pgl in something like C:USERS/APPS/etc/etc/....

    If you add your saved setup in that folder and then select it in plugin manager, that should do it.


    I have it also saved on a backup hdd but for some reason it keeps reverting back to the folder mentioned above.  But yes save blank project template with your plugin layout and always start from there I suspect.
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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 11:47:24 (permalink)
    is X2 using the same X1 tempalte folder ......if not be sure to point the one you want to use 

    or try to look for and import a plugin layout and resave it in X2 or last try ....open the plugin manager without sonar (the app only ) ...and try resaveing them to the X2 folder


    just quik thoughts as i don't have X2 installed yet ...lol

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 12:21:44 (permalink)
    same thing here. never get a default instruments template to work right. my guess is it gets rebuilt when sonar opens and vst scans.

     
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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 13:08:31 (permalink)
    I had this problem early on and i got it corrected but I don't know if this is what I did but, Insert a track with your normal template unless you have some already, I like to have a mic track ready to record soon as I turn sonar on, but I believe this is how I solved that problem, check it out and report back and I'll keep looking if that didn't fix it.

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/01 13:29:30 (permalink)
    Don't forget one thing - it's ok to save a Plugin menu layout with your own settings, but until you open up your normal (or any other) template and tell Sonar to use your layout, and then SAVE your template, Sonar will use the default layout.

    It won't do it automatically for you

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/02 04:11:17 (permalink)
    Thanks to everyone for their advice.

    moffdnb: found that folder, it already has my layout .pgl file in it. Like I said, I can manually apply the layout. Do you mean I should save another file here?

    Zo: I have separate template folders for X1 and X2. When I save a new template in X2, it's definitely going into the X2 folder. Tried running the plug-in manager outside Sonar, didn't make a different

    Swamptooth: funny thing is that it works for my FX layout, but not for the instruments one. 

    frakjcc: my template already has a track. 

    Bristol_Jonesy: good point - done it though. When I open the template by double clicking it, the new layout is selected

    I think I'll try starting from another template - perhaps there's something wrong with my normal.cwt. I'll post if this makes a difference. As moffdnb and scook  have got it working properly, it looks like it's a problem on my system

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/02 16:24:24 (permalink)
    Have you tried to delete the default template?

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    Re:Changing the default plug-in menu layout 2012/11/02 17:17:44 (permalink)
    I've just created a plugin menu layout for my synths, and apart from a long forgotten problem that I've not seen since 8.5.3** it works as expected.

    ** in 8.5.3 very often, the layout would lose its ability to index the synths properly and as a result, you could never be sure if the one you selected would be the one to open up. It was nearly always a synth 2 "slot" above in the menu layout hierarchy that would open. Usually, saving, closing 7 reopening Sonar would cure it.

    I had this happen the first time I used the menu just now, and the same remedy apples. This is extremely annoying if you're building up a Midi composition.

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