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2012/11/02 11:11:17 (permalink)

I think I grew up in a cave...

or closet.
 
Before I get to it you need to know that I've been messing
with guitars since I was...could walk.
 
I was talking with some pick-up makers and the topic of winding direction
and dealing with lefties came up.
For some reason I thought about the staggard magnets ( different heights) and
Jimi.
First time it dawned on me that his guitar had the staggard pups upside down
and the slant too on the bridge pup. Had never thought about that in all these years and then it surprised me that no guitar player that I ever talked with did either...if they did I was to ignorant
to understand what they were saying.
 
Makes me wonder how much I've missed LOL.
(unfortunately I know much of my memory is gone from a personal trauma but
no way to know how much when ya don't remember)
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 11:16:00 (permalink)

    First time it dawned on me that his guitar had the staggard pups upside down and the slant too on the bridge pup.
    errr...  do you mean that being a leftie the pups (and stagger) are backard to normal (and thus upside down)  or that Jimmy was a leftie but his guitar had the pups the same way as a rightie..  (and thus upside down to how they 'should' be)?
     
     
    Edit:  I was always told that Jimmy played right handed guitars upside down, with the only modification being the strap button.
    post edited by Karyn - 2012/11/02 11:19:22

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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 11:27:08 (permalink)
    Same thing happened to me when digi2ns asked the question last week.


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    From now onward, I'll think of it every time I look at a Bill Lawrence blade pickup design. 

    :-)
    post edited by mike_mccue - 2012/11/02 11:28:14


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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 11:31:20 (permalink)
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    First time it dawned on me that his guitar had the staggard pups upside down and the slant too on the bridge pup.
    errr...  do you mean that being a leftie the pups (and stagger) are backard to normal (and thus upside down)  or that Jimmy was a leftie but his guitar had the pups the same way as a rightie..  (and thus upside down to how they 'should' be)?
     
     
    Edit:  I was always told that Jimmy played right handed guitars upside down, with the only modification being the strap button.

    He turned a right handed guitar to the left. That meant that the height of magnets for individual
    strings were out of place... upside down....along with everything else- excluding the strings, nut,
    bridge saddles....educated guess because I've never seen/held his guitar.
    So the lowest magnet - for the B string was then under the 5th- A string.
    Also meant other changes as well but it seems the popular concensus is that it is not liked but
    the reverse slant on the bridge pup is.
    I've never tried so no opinion.
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 11:48:58 (permalink)
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    Karyn



    First time it dawned on me that his guitar had the staggard pups upside down and the slant too on the bridge pup.
    errr...  do you mean that being a leftie the pups (and stagger) are backard to normal (and thus upside down)  or that Jimmy was a leftie but his guitar had the pups the same way as a rightie..  (and thus upside down to how they 'should' be)?
     
     
    Edit:  I was always told that Jimmy played right handed guitars upside down, with the only modification being the strap button.

    He turned a right handed guitar to the left. That meant that the height of magnets for individual
    strings were out of place... upside down....along with everything else- excluding the strings, nut,
    bridge saddles....educated guess because I've never seen/held his guitar.
    So the lowest magnet - for the B string was then under the 5th- A string.
    Also meant other changes as well but it seems the popular concensus is that it is not liked but
    the reverse slant on the bridge pup is.
    I've never tried so no opinion.
    That is all assuming he re-stringed it as a leftie...  I was under the impression he didn't, which would mean the pups and bridge were all correct.
     
    I need to go check some vids...

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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 11:55:28 (permalink)
    No assumption.
    He re-strung and one of his claims to fame was using his thumb for the
    bass in his chords.

    It's also probably a fact that his guitar didn't have a RW/RP pup in the middle
    since Fender didn't start that until the '70s.....meaning his guitar probably
    had a pretty good hum to it ......But wait!....it probably had a three-way switch.
    post edited by spacey - 2012/11/02 11:59:24
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 12:02:21 (permalink)
    Wasn't he one of the guys who used all 5 positions of his 3 way switch?

    In other words... does the introduction of an actual 5 way switch precede the introduction of the RW/RP middle pickup idea?





    I like the hum.  :-)





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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 12:05:50 (permalink)
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    Wasn't he one of the guys who used all 5 positions of his 3 way switch?

    In other words... does the introduction of an actual 5 way switch precede the introduction of the RW/RP middle pickup idea?





    I like the hum.  :-)

    You askin' me?.....lol.....I'm still on the magnets dude. Already had to deal with his thumb.
    Cave was safer I'm thinking. :)
     
     
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 12:19:53 (permalink)
    Mike the problem is if we say what Jimi had we'd have to talk about
    the exact one.
    He did different stuff to all of them is the story I get.

    Bill Lawrence did a drawing of one, as he did the wiring for Jimi.
    He used a three-way Tele switch in the drawing I have of Bills.
    ( it's also very cool that it has a blender pot as so many here know I'm
    so fond of :)
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 13:19:06 (permalink)

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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 13:28:18 (permalink)
    Thanks Bat. I'm at work and couldn't post pic.

    May note that the "Blender" is not the same as I use.
    I use the stack so two pups can be mixed in and out together....one comes in one goes out.

    In the drawing the tone pot is used to mix the middle pup in to either N/B....cool.
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 13:51:10 (permalink)
    My longtime lefty geeter player friend from our high school band just turns a righty upside down.

    I just got so used to working with him (imagine learning the chords he played to a new in process song) that even today when I watch a true lefty it seems sooooooooo wrong.
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 14:08:58 (permalink)
    Just looking at a left hand guitar is strange to me, more less upside down.

    I got curious about a band that I only heard bits of on the radio so I bought
    their "Unplugged in New York" DVD...Nirvana. I really enjoyed it and didn't
    mind watching Kurt play at all. Just a great gig IMO.
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/02 23:42:34 (permalink)
    I've watched several Hendrix shows on TV in the past year. I'm amazed by how much he used his thumb.
    I think he must have had large hands.

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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 00:30:21 (permalink)

    http://guitarinternationa...ay-tribute-to-hendrix/


    I remember reading an article when Fender released the Woodstock strat in the 90s and the reviewer specified that in order to provide an experience that was as authentic as possible, the pick up were reversed.

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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 02:23:43 (permalink)
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    I've watched several Hendrix shows on TV in the past year. I'm amazed by how much he used his thumb.
    I think he must have had large hands.

    The thumb helps you play some AC/DC tunes too.
     
    I've got the below DVD somewhere and it cracked me up watching it.  The "remaining members" try to explain things which, if you really check it out, have nothing to do with how Jimi probably came up with things.  I still haven't done much with it since a couple of friends were always bugging me to borrow it.  I got it back before I moved a while back and it's in my "library" but I was checking out other things at that time.
     


     
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 07:45:58 (permalink)


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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 08:37:30 (permalink)
    LOL  Glad I could pick yours and Mikes brain Spacey on this earlier

    Yeh, 

    I flopped the string
    Swapped out the Nut to a lefty
    Reset the intonation and string heights

    as for the switches and potentiometers they were left as is.  Just a mtter of my daughter getting used to components location which doesnt effect the operation of the original install/design.

    I see what ya meant on inverting the pups, the base doesnt allow for this with relation to cutouts they fit into so it is what it is unless there are specifically made lefty pups.

    This one is just for her to learn on and the ops check of it sounded good so Im not to concerned with proper pups on the install.  Does make ya think on the poles/polarity, magnet heights, etc... in relation to the string they pick up though.


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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 08:42:34 (permalink)
    Course one option that could be done is to recarve the body to allow for the invert but dont believe I would attempt it on an American Strat.

    Would really take alot of structure out by the neck and bridge areas


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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 08:55:06 (permalink)
    Check this out 

    It would appear I did the exact same thing not being able to see the bases and wiring

    I didnt know he play an MIM? Atleast it appears so according to the neck and Trem

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/2684648/Scorched-Jimi-Hendrix-guitar-sells-for-280000.html
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 09:37:39 (permalink)
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    Check this out 

    It would appear I did the exact same thing not being able to see the bases and wiring

    I didnt know he play an MIM? Atleast it appears so according to the neck and Trem

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/2684648/Scorched-Jimi-Hendrix-guitar-sells-for-280000.html


    What exactly about the neck and trem makes you think it was made in Mexico?
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 12:42:53 (permalink)
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    digi2ns


    Check this out 

    It would appear I did the exact same thing not being able to see the bases and wiring

    I didnt know he play an MIM? Atleast it appears so according to the neck and Trem

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/2684648/Scorched-Jimi-Hendrix-guitar-sells-for-280000.html


    What exactly about the neck and trem makes you think it was made in Mexico?


    It says "Jesus approves" on the back.

     
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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 14:23:39 (permalink)
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    digi2ns


    Check this out 

    It would appear I did the exact same thing not being able to see the bases and wiring

    I didnt know he play an MIM? Atleast it appears so according to the neck and Trem

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/2684648/Scorched-Jimi-Hendrix-guitar-sells-for-280000.html


    What exactly about the neck and trem makes you think it was made in Mexico?





    21 Fret and the standard MIM trem doesnt have the extra 2 mount screws.

    Course I was just being sarcastic but Im sure a sthings went into the 90s, Fender pushed off the older unimproved items to their Mexican Models and put the upgrades on the USA models.  Just a hunch but ya know how industry is and being able to justify cost with quality but keep what youve already built in play




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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 14:26:08 (permalink)
    Of course if I was gonna torch one on stage in todays time,  I would choose the MIM  


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    Re:I think I grew up in a cave... 2012/11/03 14:54:58 (permalink)
    Well you guys lost me but at least I'm still on track
    getting my opinion straight (for myself) about the
    "upside down PU")

    The staggard magnets have their reasons and purpose- no gain being
    upside down ( my opinion and the best I can gather, popular opinion).
    There does seem to be a thumbs up with the reverse slant on the bridge. I may try it someday.

    As far as Hendrix and his whys for doing things....not really much interest since I can't talk with him.
    I'm glad I spent some  time investigating though....the tone pot used to blend the middle
    PU in I think is very cool and I will be wiring one up like that.

    That and the one known as the Lindley Fralin blender are two ways of using the blender that
    really appeal to me that I haven't tried out....two mods I'll definately set a couple of Strats up with.

    post edited by spacey - 2012/11/03 15:04:55
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