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2012/11/06 19:57:14 (permalink)

The update path

So anyway... I'm about to update all the firmware and software for the VS 700 and 8.5.3 and X1 Expanded on the same C drive of a new DAW computer. I'm a little unsure of the correct order of updates. I'm using the X64 version of Win 7 Home Premium shipping with the DAW computer from ADK. I'm pretty clear on things up to the point where the console firmware 1.31 needs to installed. I was under the impression the standalone 2.0 drivers for the console needed to installed first before 1.31. Now I'm not sure. And on X1 Expanded, do you install Expanded and the Pro Channel Modules before the X1d expanded patch update or after? There seems to be an installation instruction step missing there. Firmware first or software first? X1d first, or X1d Expanded first?

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/07 08:20:34 (permalink)
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     And on X1 Expanded, do you install Expanded and the Pro Channel Modules before the X1d expanded patch update or after? There seems to be an installation instruction step missing there. Firmware first or software first? X1d first, or X1d Expanded first?
     
    I just recently installed X1d Expanded on a new system following the steps documented in the link https://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013277?DL=Instructions :
     
     
    Installation order for SONAR X1 Producer Expanded:
    1. SONAR X1 Producer (release build 184) - available on disc or download from your Cakewalk store account
    2. SONAR X1c Producer update (build 319) - available here
    3. SONAR X1 Producer Expanded (build 425) - available via download from your Cakewalk store account
    4. SONAR X1d Producer Expanded update (build 535) - available here
     
     
    Worked fine all the way through, just takes ages ...
     
    Installation order of ProChannel modules does not really matter, but I did it after X1d Expanded ... remember to do the VST scan otherwise it won't register the new modules ...
    Can't say much about the firmware about as I'm a late adopter and received my VS-700 system with 1.3 installed ... but there are about 10 PDFs with instructions on the support site. They are long and elaborate, you will have to read all of them and might have to make notes on the proper order (this is what I did before receiving the system, but was lucky enough not to have to go through the execution) ...
     
     
     
     
    post edited by FreeFlyBertl - 2012/11/07 08:22:16

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/07 12:55:36 (permalink)
    Installation order for SONAR X1 Producer Expanded: 1. SONAR X1 Producer (release build 184) - available on disc or download from your Cakewalk store account 2. SONAR X1c Producer update (build 319) - available here 3. SONAR X1 Producer Expanded (build 425) - available via download from your Cakewalk store account 4. SONAR X1d Producer Expanded update (build 535) - available here

     
    Thanks Bert, I could not find that yesterday, Brain fort I guess.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/08 05:20:14 (permalink)
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    Thanks Bert, I could not find that yesterday, Brain fort I guess.

    What's a brain fort Craig?


    haha...




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    Re:The update path 2012/11/08 19:57:44 (permalink)
    The new DAW is here. It's really quiet ( whisper). Let the fun begin. Time to build the instrument.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/09 01:46:34 (permalink)
    Yeah, this year Christmas is early. My new DAW is close to final set-up. Not dead quiet, but close to (less fan 'noise' than the VS-700) and one beefy animal ... looks like a lot of fun to come in the next months  

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/09 06:06:35 (permalink)
    So what specs did you chaps go for with your shiny new DAWs?

    Curious as the thought has crossed my (small) mind lately.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/09 21:26:06 (permalink)
    I went with Core i7 3770, 3.5ghz Quad 8 meg cache w/HT on a Gigabyte Z77M-DH3-MVP Motherboard, with 8Gb of DDR3 Ram. It has 8 Logical Cores in a cube case. Very fast, very quiet.
    I wish the update path was going as smooth. I can't get the Fantom Synth to cooperate yet.
    Updated  to all the 1.30 and 1.31 updates and installed the mewest Fantom VS update installer.
    I still have a blued out type of band on the top controls, Patch drop down list, save button, etc.
    The fantom keeps reverting to Pno on every channel. When I load an existing project  the channels show the right patch, but the channel drop down window says Pno. I can re-enter the right patch but I can't save it.
    I need a fix for this before I can continue, and Roland is hard to work with on support.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/10 03:01:55 (permalink)
    My new specs:

    Intel Core i7-3930K (6 x 3.2GHz) Sixcore w/ overclocking to 4 GHz
    Asus Sabertooth X79 (Intel X79) motherboard
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    (2x 1TB) 2000 GB WD HDD SATA 600, 64MB Cache, 5.400U/Min

    First performance tests are looking really good, especially in terms of latency ... but I'm done with the full set-up yet. Got some more acoustical refurbishment work in the control room to be done first ...

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/10 07:44:39 (permalink)
    Sounds great guys.... are your video cards fanless?

    1600 speed ram has got to be good!

    Cheers.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/10 11:46:48 (permalink)
    No, my video card is not fanless.

    I was lucky to come across a professional company in Berlin that apparently built a couple of fancy DAWs before and they told me not to use a passive video card. They had troubles before with passive cards in audio workstations (somehow didn't work with some audio software and had to be replaced). So we went with a low spec video card that doesn't cause much heat and hence can work with a small fan ... audio software doesn't need fancy gamer 3D graphics anyway ...

    However, the fan on that 6 core cpu is massive (yet quiet silent) ... as I said the VS-700 makes more 'noise' ...

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/10 17:30:01 (permalink)
    Hey Bertl, didn't you say the Fantom VS in your unit was working in 64 bit?

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/10 19:41:54 (permalink)
    Hi Craig

    It was all working on my old DAW (X1d, X2 on win 7 64 bit), but you made me nervous  that it might not work on the new DAW so I just completed the fantom VS-700 & fantom set-up, following the steps from here:

    https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/pages/vs700_installation.aspx  (select: Sonar X1, VS-700 Set)

    Now fantom works on the new DAW (X1d, X2, win 7 64 bit) just like it used to on the old one i.e. as a 32 bit plugin via bitbridge, but I had none of the problems you described in another thread.
     
    Fantom sounds as good as it used ... I only noticed that at those tiny ASIO buffer that I could use now (48!) it sort of starts to stutter while other soft synths, audio trcks and FX still work fine ...

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/10 19:56:15 (permalink)
    Funny thing ... I just checked the link above which I used in May to get all available updates. 

    At step 5 "Fantom VS x64 Hotfix. Click here for more info. " it now says" this article is expired" but I just installed that fix from the download in May and everything is working fine ...

    The documentation said something about holding SHIFT while starting Sonar. Did you try that?

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/10 19:58:29 (permalink)
    Maybe that helps (in case you haven't seen it yet)

    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/pages/Fantom_VS_ARX_Troubleshooting.aspx


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    Re:The update path 2012/11/10 20:17:24 (permalink)
    I've seen them all Bert. When you installed Sonar, did you do a custom install and include the VS 700 and Fantom Software included with the Sonar install? I assume you did a 64 bit install on both Sonar and the Fantom VS installer. I'm showing 2 instances of the Fantom in the plugin Manager. I'm trying to figure out if they're overwriting each other when loading. Since the installer version is the progression of the hot fix, I'm wondering if there's some conflict in play there if you've installed the first set of Fantom VS software and the second set.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/10 20:18:43 (permalink)
    Shift? No, I didn't see that.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/11 02:58:59 (permalink)
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    When you installed Sonar, did you do a custom install and include the VS 700 and Fantom Software included with the Sonar install? I assume you did a 64 bit install on both Sonar and the Fantom VS installer. I'm showing 2 instances of the Fantom in the plugin Manager. I'm trying to figure out if they're overwriting each other when loading. Since the installer version is the progression of the hot fix, I'm wondering if there's some conflict in play there if you've installed the first set of Fantom VS software and the second set.
     
    Hi. I did not use that VS700 and Fantom software from the X2 installer. I had left that all unchecked when installing Sonar, but at the end installed VS IO/ARX Editor from the download.
     
    I remember now that I used to have some troubles with that VS700 and Fantom software from the X2 installer when I upgraded my old DAW. There I had reorganised my plugs by moving them to a different directory (stupid I know) and when I did the X2 full installation, I had 2 versions with different dates and the newer did not behave as expected. I blamed it on my garbled set-up, and just went with the old version ... 
      
    Since everything worked fine from there onwards, I just didn't bother with the latest version from the X2 installer (as there are no documented fixed issues and I never had any problems with) ... and it's not 64 bit anyway, as far as I know ...
     
    I'd try to move one of your 2 instances (or rename) and redo the VST scan and see if this fixes it. I'd probably go with the older of the 2 dlls as this is what's running on my machine.
     
    Maybe that helps ... 

     
     
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    Re:The update path 2012/11/11 03:05:11 (permalink)
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    Shift? No, I didn't see that.


    5. On your computer keyboard hold down the SHIFT key and launch SONAR
    6. When prompted with the message "SONAR will now personalize user settings"... click [OK]
     
    @ end of Fantom VS Editor & ARX Editor Installer https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013246

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/11 16:52:05 (permalink)
    Oh, yes, been through all of that Bertl. I loaded a new project inserted the Fantom VS and the Editor loaded with all the menus and worked. I then deleted the Fantom and loaded Fantom VS #2, the Editor loaded with no patchs in the channels and the drop down lists were all GM items. I deleted the synth and closed the project. I deleted Fantom #2 from the file directory-VST Plugins and it vanished from the plugin manager also.
    I opened my older project again, deleted the Fantom from that project and inserted a new Fantom VS in which I rebuilt my prior instruments and settings. I saved the project, closed it, re-opened it and all the patchs and settings were retained. So that's workable now.
    The 64 bit Fantom Editor loads differently than the 32 bit did. X-ray doesn't work with it, when I first open the project with the Editor open, I can play notes and do adjustments, if I minimize the Editor and open it again, I get no sound while it is open, and when I minimize it, all the notes I tried to play while it was open, are suddenly released and sounded. Some kind of glitch going on there. I still have no top patch drop down menu and save button controls as before. I am making progress though.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/16 15:29:58 (permalink)
    I strongly considering installing Win 7 32 bit and Sonar PE 32 bit just so,I can have full functionability of the Fantom VS Editor. The synth is working in 64 bit Sonar via bitbridge and there are work arounds for everything but X-ray. I'm still trying to understand how to use the top control strips file-save menu and populate the patch box and drop down menu. Save instrument wants to go to Documents, with an Effects program (.fxp) file. Load instrument access's documents also. Has anyone done this with the 64 bit version running?

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/20 21:17:21 (permalink)
    I discovered a another glitch the other day. I opened an old 32 bit project in 64 bit Sonar. It had two instances of the Vintage channel in it. When I opened the Plugin editor, it had the same blue strip across the top line of controls where the patch window and save button etc. usually are. The patchs were saved in the drop down box this time and the effect was operating via bitbridge and listed as the 64 bit version. X-ray worked with it also. None of the other VC 64 plugins had the blue strip and incomplete controls.
    I checked the Vintage Channels in my Fantom VS project and they were blue striped also.
    So I'm wondering if opening a 32 bit project somehow corrupted the 64 bit files.
    Looking for a fix.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/25 11:43:28 (permalink)
    Hi, I'm new to this forum and the VS700. Just received my new system this week and trying to get it setup. I guess these have been sitting on shelves for some time as the setup disk only has Windows XP and Vista drivers... I found the Windows 7 driver online and installed it without problem so I'm looking for other updates to get my system up-to-date. I found a firmware update, version 1.31, on Roland's support page but they say - "Be sure that VS-700C driver is installed to Windows PC or Mac beforehand and that it has been properly configured as a stand-alone device (without the VS-700R connected)". What does that mean??? When I disconnect the 700R, the driver settings won't even display. Thanks.
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    Re:The update path 2012/11/25 12:30:52 (permalink)
    In order to install the firmware update to the console, you first need to install the stand alone drivers for using the Console as a seperate device via USB. There are instructions about how to this. It's really not that bad, just make sure you follow the instructions. There are several to do with the V700R as well.
    Anytime you disconnect the V700R or leave it off, you won't see the driver settings because Windows doesn't see them. That's normal. You don't need to see them for the updates anyway.

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    Re:The update path 2012/11/30 18:24:33 (permalink)
    So It seems the blue strip I've been referring to is the bit-bridge server it seems. I looked at the copy of X1 64 bit I put on my internet computer to study and The Vintage Channnel operates via bit-bridge on that copy also. Everything works with the Fantom VS in 64 bit Sonar except the save and patch dropdown list. Now you have to save an instrument you've made to a folder as a .fxp file. Slightly different path, pretty much the same. Xray doesn't  either. You have to click on the Sonar icon in the tray to get sound after you have minimized and reopened the Fantom Editor. I really miss Xray.
    I've got really long **** report about what I think should function with the Fantom VS, Sonar (any bit) and V700C. I'm seeing a lack of ACT support and usage to program new routines for new plugins-pro channel modules. We should be able to ACT learn any module that hasn't been added as a routine yet. When that module is selected as topmost window- most recent selection- the ACT routine we made should work. If we had that ability, we could save and send those ACT routines to Cake or each other.
    That's how it should work and that is the intention of the ACT controller function, so why hasn't anyone done this?

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    Re:The update path 2012/12/18 19:43:14 (permalink)
    I put in Sonar X1 PE and Expanded today, and the Prochannel pack. I got one bad message during the whole install. After installing X1c I installed Expanded. when I tried to open it I got a pop up saying X1 wasn't installed properly, to re-install with my original CD. I put the X1D update patch for expanded in and everything worked. I really love the Concrete Limiter.

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    Re:The update path 2012/12/18 19:45:30 (permalink)
    So far the VS 700 is working great with X1d Expanded.

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    Re:The update path 2012/12/18 20:06:23 (permalink)
    It does, yes. X2 unfortunately broke a few things, but these are apparently being addressed in the upcoming patch.

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    Re:The update path 2012/12/18 20:07:48 (permalink)
    I was entirely happy with how it worked in X1. I know some people object to the LCD display lag that appeared in some situations, but that wasn't a big deal to me. When it's all working right, it's really a great console.

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    Re:The update path 2012/12/18 20:20:49 (permalink)
    I kept 8.5.3 on my DAW, in case I needed it's flow. I somehow see 8.5.3 in some of the screen sets in X1 Expanded. You can make that config. in X1. What's different is just the GUI. When it comes to habit and response and learning the moves in a different way, it's very much like learning an instrument. I guess I'm gonna have to install X2 and see what the bind is.
    Does anybody on the forum really know what it takes to rewrite the routines needed to make everything work between software and hardware? Everyone seems to think there is a universal language that defines the workings of our DAW.
     Well, unfortunately dialect exists there also.

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