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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 12:48:47
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No offense, but some of the posts here are pretty dern shallow.
Could be that the naysayers of loops don't have the creativity to use them as instruments in their own right.
There is a BIG difference in just layering a bunch of loops and calling it a song,
and creating with pieces and slices and tidbits of loops to augment one's creation. The whole argument reminds me of my grandfather demonizing the terribleness of the electric guitar.
At least, IMHO..
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 12:58:20
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sharke
Apart from anything, going by the free Cakewalk content alone, anyone would think that techno is Sonar's largest user base.
I find that hard to believe too. Maybe it's just the musicians that frequent these forums that makes it appear otherwise though.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 13:07:56
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Bub
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Some worms at risk of escaping the can here methinks.
You might equally argue that every progression of C,F,G (or A,D,E for guitar players) falls into the same category of fake, as 12-bar blues are essentially all re-arrangements.
The blues bore me to tears to be quite honest. I can play the blues, but it's so monotonous and repetitive that I can only stomach it for just so long. That's why a lot of bands will warm up with a blues song ... it's easy, repetitive, and doesn't end until you say so. Just like looping. LOL!
You're listening to the wrong blues  http://www.youtube.com/wa...Hs&feature=related
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 13:17:21
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 13:18:03
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The problem is "beefs with the loops".....if you had becan with the loops everything
would be fine.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 13:21:37
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SteveStrummerUK
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Bub
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Some worms at risk of escaping the can here methinks.
You might equally argue that every progression of C,F,G (or A,D,E for guitar players) falls into the same category of fake, as 12-bar blues are essentially all re-arrangements.
The blues bore me to tears to be quite honest. I can play the blues, but it's so monotonous and repetitive that I can only stomach it for just so long. That's why a lot of bands will warm up with a blues song ... it's easy, repetitive, and doesn't end until you say so. Just like looping. LOL!
You're listening to the wrong blues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csWNEugRzHs&feature=related
No, THIS! 
A modern classic
I've heard good things about the guitars in this. not necessarily about the guitar players, I think they're the ones who are "loopy" 
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 13:28:47
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The problem is "beefs with the loops".....if you had becan with the loops everything
would be fine.
give that man a becan award! (but not any real becan, cause that's mine...)
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 16:56:10
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timidi
No offense ...
Are you sure about that? Your post really goes down hill after the second word. LOL! As for me personally, I use loops a lot, but I create my own using the loop tool in Sonar. ... but some of the posts here are pretty dern shallow.
Could be that the naysayers of loops don't have the creativity to use them as instruments in their own right.
There is a BIG difference in just layering a bunch of loops and calling it a song,
and creating with pieces and slices and tidbits of loops to augment one's creation. The whole argument reminds me of my grandfather demonizing the terribleness of the electric guitar.
At least, IMHO..
Looping is nothing new, it's been around long before computers came on the scene. What is new is how someone else is doing the work now, and that work is being bundled and sold (or given away in this case), and someone else will piece together a song with those loops without ever touching an actual instrument. There's nothing wrong with that, but please, don't call yourself a musician, it's kind of offensive to those of us who actually are. IMHO.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 17:36:35
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That was my point Bub.
It's not the "loops" per se that are objectional. It is how they are used. (IMHO).
But, whenever these 'loop' discussions get going, it always seems to devolve to the lowest denominator.
ie: someone making a song totally using loops.
I apologize if I was offensive to anyone.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/08 17:40:41
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^^^ Agree wholeheartedly Tim. There are many ways to be creative with loops, and honestly, I've yet to hear anyone put together a whole song using stock loops, and have any kind of success with it. I think it's an imaginary demon people can't help but conjure up.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 08:01:10
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Just for example only, I am SHAMELESSLY plugging 2 of my recent songs here to demonstrate use of loops: (don't hate me..LOL) 1- NOTHING BUT LOOPS: "The X2 Add'l Content Song"... : http://soundcloud.com/tbosco/the-x2-additional-content-song (try to get past the 1st minute...there are different styles..note 2:52 and past.) 2- CREATIVE (MUSICAL) USE OF LOOPS- Can you find the loops?... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoMuoPpsl4&feature=plcp (There are Sonar loops and some from my own collection in this song) And I still haven't figured out how to slice and dice them up to use them even more creatively. Again, I say they are just more tools in the toolbox, but I do believe just because you own a hammer and a saw doesn't make you a carpenter. Peace, out!
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 08:24:33
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Bub
What is new is how someone else is doing the work now, and that work is being bundled and sold (or given away in this case), and someone else will piece together a song with those loops without ever touching an actual instrument. There's nothing wrong with that, but please, don't call yourself a musician, it's kind of offensive to those of us who actually are.
IMHO.
Bub, your opinion and bias is noted, but fyi that is a narrow perspective that i suggest is out of date as wiki does in fact include such folks as musicians... A musician usually plays a musical instrument, especially (although not necessarily) as a profession. [1] Musicians can be classified by their roles in performing music and writing music. A person who makes music a profession, anyone (professional or not) who's skilled in making music or performing music creatively, or one who composes, conducts, or performs music (especially instrumental music) is a musician. [2] Musicians can be of any music style not limited to classical, orchestral or choral, and musicians can have skills in many different styles outside of their professional experience. Examples of musicians' skills are the orchestration of music, improvisation, conducting, singing, composing, arranging, and/or being an instrumentalist. [3]
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 09:24:26
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I agree that technically they are musicians, the Bub definition though is the one most shared by other musicians who play instruments. I don't think this is any kind of condesention,more of an acknowledghement that probably comes from the history of the subject and the blood sweat and tears put into learning to play as opposed to arranging.
There was just an intersting article on this subject in the latest issue of EM. DJs want the same labels as instrumentalists/bands. No doubt it takes a lot of skill to DJ and arrange as well. I see them as a seperate thing, IMO probably musically inclined but I think there should be a difference .......but what do I know? I don't see those guys who play giving the same credence to someone who plays and arranges loops. A good example of what something is in a text book and how others actually define it. If thats all I did I don't think I would want to be called a musician.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 10:42:26
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well, it's definitely more fun, and rewarding, to play your own parts, rather then cutting and pasting them.
at least for me, it is.
i do use 'loops' (actually, midi clips) when building drum tracks in superior drummer, but i always deeply edit them to make them personal.
so, i cannot say that i'm a purist.
i DO use live drums whenever possible.....this is always preferable.
and i do like the idea of using loops as a writing tool, and the occasional 'Track-Guest star' for the odd sounds here and there..
but i have found that (in particular) 'FREE' loops, typically are very basic, are just plain weird, and do not have such good feel.
i think creating your own loops, taking the time to program them and give them a unique feel, should be the goal of loop users.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 11:20:42
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I play piano/keyboards and I sing. I pretend to dabble at bass and acoustic but I cannot play either well enough to record even small portions. so I can't play bass, any guitar, drums, or any other instrument except piano/keyboards and vocals. so I often use Band in a Box for instruments I can't play. essentually, that's the same thing as using loops for those instruments. I consider myself a musician, albiet a poor one. what you consider me is not really of much consequence to me. it's just a label.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 13:12:25
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Beagle
spacey
The problem is "beefs with the loops".....if you had becan with the loops everything
would be fine.
give that man a becan award!
(but not any real becan, cause that's mine...)
Watch it Beagle....I left a breakfast burrito and holiday pie around here earlier and it's gone. I would never had guessed that we were going to be facing these kind of issues....there's not much I can do about the age issue but I can sure turn my hat around and mumble a few hairy cush or whatever words...I'll have to read that part again. I have to go look for the dude....probably gathering firewood to warm up my burrito...probably have an axe or sumpin'....I throw some bad loops at him if I have to.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 13:19:38
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spacey
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spacey
The problem is "beefs with the loops".....if you had becan with the loops everything
would be fine.
give that man a becan award!
(but not any real becan, cause that's mine...)
Watch it Beagle....I left a breakfast burrito and holiday pie around here earlier and it's gone.
I would never had guessed that we were going to be facing these kind of issues....there's not
much I can do about the age issue but I can sure turn my hat around and mumble a few hairy cush or whatever words...I'll have to read that part again.
I have to go look for the dude....probably gathering firewood to warm up my burrito...probably have
an axe or sumpin'....I throw some bad loops at him if I have to.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 13:38:30
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I find loops inspirational sometimes. This was written and recorded in a very short time just from playing and jamming to a loop........ Shameless plug---> The Clown The drum loop is virtually untouched.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 14:26:34
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Karl- I can do shameless.. LOL Hey, that drum loop reminds me of Janet Jackson I think. ???
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/09 14:36:41
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tbosco
Karl- I can do shameless.. LOL Hey, that drum loop reminds me of Janet Jackson I think. ???
You mean it's missing parts and is attracted to young boys? Oh wait... You said Janet. Never mind. 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/10 00:25:16
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A person who can't play an instrument well but "hears" a song and sound in his head starts using a loopy program and searches for hours for the sounds and instruments to vibrate the air with the song in his head, often agonizing on his inability to find the right sound.
Spends countless more hours adding, arranging, reading about mixing, then mixing the song.
He might be a technician. He might be an engineer. He might be an artist painting a soundscape.
If the sounds are even a little bit musical, he might be a musician.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/10 00:53:45
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Zappa was one of the best arrangers of the 20th century. And he did something which a creative loop-meister will also do, which is to take someone else's melody and drop it into his own arrangement against a different tonal center and/or rhythm for which it was originally intended, thus creating something totally new. For instance his liberal use of melodic fragments of Stravinsky, especially on the Absolutely Free album.
Of course there's a lot more to writing the notes down on paper and having someone play them in person, than there is in dropping a loop on a track, but the essentials are the same.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/10 01:06:20
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And what if we play AND use loops? I don't have a band. It's just me. And I make music I want to listen to/music that forces my hand. I play keys, I sing, I write, I program, I map drums, I tweak synths for HOURS, fiddle with filters and gates and verbs for even longer... And sometimes I grab a frigging drum loop because it just make sense to do so.
The lines move all the time.
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/10 05:08:26
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And what if we play AND use loops? I don't have a band. It's just me. And I make music I want to listen to/music that forces my hand. I play keys, I sing, I write, I program, I map drums, I tweak synths for HOURS, fiddle with filters and gates and verbs for even longer... And sometimes I grab a frigging drum loop because it just make sense to do so.
The lines move all the time.
If you do all that, then people start calling you Veronica.
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/10 08:42:56
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Greg/Sharke/jubilee- Now yer talkin' my language!
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Re:My beefs with these free "loops and one shots" from the Content Club
2012/11/10 12:02:56
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julibee
And what if we play AND use loops? I don't have a band. It's just me. And I make music I want to listen to/music that forces my hand. I play keys, I sing, I write, I program, I map drums, I tweak synths for HOURS, fiddle with filters and gates and verbs for even longer... And sometimes I grab a frigging drum loop because it just make sense to do so.
The lines move all the time.
If you do all that, then people start calling you Veronica.
True, 'dat. ;)
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