tbaroni
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Beat not steady when I record
I've recently upgraded from Home Studio 4 to X2 Studio. The transition is awkward, I've slogged through the tutorials and want to try to use this software. There's lots of questions, but let me start with this one:
I've entered a song on six midi tracks. I play it through my keyboard. Now I add a vocal audio track. I play the song and it plays normally. But when I try to record onto the audio track while the midi is playing the beat becomes irregular! Not irregular like there's random interuptions more like a shuffle or swing effect is being applied for some reason.
Where do I look to make this go away and play the song with a straight beat?
.. Tony
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 10:57:21
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Which metronome are you using? Try the other one :o)
In my system (SP 8.5) the audio metronome works better.
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 11:19:18
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Are you using a audio interface with ASIO drivers? You should always post your system specs otherwise we are left blind to what might cause your problem.
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 12:09:35
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Yea, its sound card and/or sound card driver configuration related most likely.
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tbaroni
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 12:38:08
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My midi and audio input go through a Tascam US-144 MK II. (A USB midi/audio interface). My audio output goes out through my build-in system audio card and system speakers: These show up as Realtek HD Audio rear output [WaveRT] 1/2.
Looking through the specifications section of the Tascam manual, I don't see ASIO mentioned. Also, looking under Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Devices and Printers > US-144 MKII > Properties, I don't see anything about ASIO.
I'm using Windows 7, 64-bit.
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 12:46:18
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You do not use your built in audio sound card. this is why you are having problems. You can only use one sound card and that's your Tascam. Disable your onboard card right away
Piece,
CJ
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Lynn
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 13:04:56
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CJ's right about disabling your built in sound card. To access you ASIO panel, the next time you open Studio go to Preferences>Audio>Driver settings. It's not in the control panel, but is in X2Studio. tbaroni
My midi and audio input go through a Tascam US-144 MK II. (A USB midi/audio interface). My audio output goes out through my build-in system audio card and system speakers: These show up as Realtek HD Audio rear output [WaveRT] 1/2.
Looking through the specifications section of the Tascam manual, I don't see ASIO mentioned. Also, looking under Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Devices and Printers > US-144 MKII > Properties, I don't see anything about ASIO.
I'm using Windows 7, 64-bit.
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tbaroni
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 14:11:23
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That fixed it. But I don't understand why. Why can't I send the midi outputs out one port and the audio out another? I was able to get away with this under Home Studio 4 (after a lot of struggling.)
I'm still in the dark on ASIO. When I get to Driver Settings, I see no mention of ASIO. And what I do see is rather confusing. I've changed my Audio Driver Bit Depth from 16 to 24 since that's what the US-144MKII outputs.
I'll try checking the 64-bit Engine option since my machine is 64-bit.
Dim solo gain makes little sense to me, I've left that at -12dB.
Sampling rate I've left at 44100 though the Tascam does up to 96KHz.
The mixing latency parameters are set at buffers = 2, buffer size = 1364 samples, 30.9msec. I'm hesitant to goof around with these, as I'm not sure how I'd test whether I've had improvements or not.
For the record, the wave profiler showed me:
==== TASCAM US-144 MKII (2 in, 2 out) ====
11025 Hz: not available
22050 Hz: not available
44100 Hz: Channels 1,4 -- Bits 16,24,24(4 bytes),32 -- OK
48000 Hz: Channels 1,4 -- Bits 16,24,24(4 bytes),32 -- OK
88200 Hz: Channels 1,4 -- Bits 16,24,24(4 bytes),32 -- OK
96000 Hz: Channels 1,4 -- Bits 16,24,24(4 bytes),32 -- OK
176400 Hz: not available
192000 Hz: not available
384000 Hz: not available
==== Realtek High Definition Audio (3 in, 6 out) ====
11025 Hz: not available
22050 Hz: not available
44100 Hz: Channels 1,2 -- Bits 16 -- OK
48000 Hz: Channels 1,2 -- Bits 16 -- OK
88200 Hz: not available
96000 Hz: Channels 1,2 -- Bits 16 -- OK
176400 Hz: not available
192000 Hz: Channels 1,2 -- Bits 16 -- OK
384000 Hz: not available
So, what's my point? This stuff is pretty technical and somewhat confusing. Discussing it here is proving to be helpful.
Thanks much to those who have spent the time to respond.
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 14:38:38
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The onboard soundchips are no good for any sort of DAW work.
In addition, using two soundcards means using two MIDI-clocks, which are hard to sync.
The 64-bit engine has nothing to do with your system bit rate, but it means the internal bit rate used also in 32-bit system. There are many VST-plugins, for example, which also have their own, internal higher bit rate calculation.
Have you installed the newest ASIO-drivers for your Tascam? If you have, they should show in the drivers list.
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 14:40:01
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You just cant use 2 different sound card sat the same time. The clocking will be screwed up and your seeing clocking issues. both cards can be set to 44.1kHz but the clocking/timing will be screwed since there are tiny variables in the clocking.
This was exactly what you where seeing. Onboard sound cards are not meant to be used for htings like this. Your Tascam is way way way way better for this. its built for audio recording
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CJaysMusic
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 14:42:13
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I'll try checking the 64-bit Engine option since my machine is 64-bit. I'll try checking the 64-bit Engine option since my machine is 64-bit. That wont do anything as its 2 different things. The 64bit engine has nothing to do with your 64bit windows. You can run the 64bit engine is a 32bit pc system. One has nothing to do with another. There 2 entirely different things and they are unrelated Cj
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Lynn
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 16:23:41
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I told you wrong. Go to preferences>audio>playback and recording to change the driver mode to ASIO. Then you can access the ASIO panel on the driver settings page in preferences. tbaroni
That fixed it. But I don't understand why. Why can't I send the midi outputs out one port and the audio out another? I was able to get away with this under Home Studio 4 (after a lot of struggling.)
I'm still in the dark on ASIO. When I get to Driver Settings, I see no mention of ASIO. And what I do see is rather confusing. I've changed my Audio Driver Bit Depth from 16 to 24 since that's what the US-144MKII outputs.
I'll try checking the 64-bit Engine option since my machine is 64-bit.
Dim solo gain makes little sense to me, I've left that at -12dB.
Sampling rate I've left at 44100 though the Tascam does up to 96KHz.
The mixing latency parameters are set at buffers = 2, buffer size = 1364 samples, 30.9msec. I'm hesitant to goof around with these, as I'm not sure how I'd test whether I've had improvements or not.
For the record, the wave profiler showed me:
==== TASCAM US-144 MKII (2 in, 2 out) ====
11025 Hz: not available
22050 Hz: not available
44100 Hz: Channels 1,4 -- Bits 16,24,24(4 bytes),32 -- OK
48000 Hz: Channels 1,4 -- Bits 16,24,24(4 bytes),32 -- OK
88200 Hz: Channels 1,4 -- Bits 16,24,24(4 bytes),32 -- OK
96000 Hz: Channels 1,4 -- Bits 16,24,24(4 bytes),32 -- OK
176400 Hz: not available
192000 Hz: not available
384000 Hz: not available
==== Realtek High Definition Audio (3 in, 6 out) ====
11025 Hz: not available
22050 Hz: not available
44100 Hz: Channels 1,2 -- Bits 16 -- OK
48000 Hz: Channels 1,2 -- Bits 16 -- OK
88200 Hz: not available
96000 Hz: Channels 1,2 -- Bits 16 -- OK
176400 Hz: not available
192000 Hz: Channels 1,2 -- Bits 16 -- OK
384000 Hz: not available
So, what's my point? This stuff is pretty technical and somewhat confusing. Discussing it here is proving to be helpful.
Thanks much to those who have spent the time to respond.
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tbaroni
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 17:45:46
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Haven't tried to update the driver. While wrapped around another axel I thought I ought to do that, never got back to it. Thanx for the reminder.
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 17:59:32
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Oh boy. I never would have realized that. What's a 24-bit engine all about then. Or doesn't it really matter?
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tbaroni
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/07 18:04:18
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OK. I discovered that a while ago. Mine was set to WDM/KS. I changed it to ASIO. I haven't noticed any difference. The original problem was fixed when I stopped using the on-board sound card for audio.
I'll have to find the description of these options. I have no idea what they stand for.
Thanks.
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CJaysMusic
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/08 08:58:24
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The original problem was fixed when I stopped using the on-board sound card for audio. As that is what is causing the problem. You cant use the Tascam interface/sound card and your onboard sound card at the same time for recording. The clocking will be screwed up and the track being out of sync is due to the clocking being screwed up. Driver modes and bit depth will not solve you or help you with this isssue. Just use the Tascam for recording. CJ
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/08 11:02:49
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tbaroni
Oh boy. I never would have realized that. What's a 24-bit engine all about then. Or doesn't it really matter?
It's just for what I mentioned: Internal calculation. A VST with that feature, for example, can manipulate the signal in 64-bit quality even when it receives the signal in 24 bits. SONAR can do the same, manipulate the signal internally in 64-bit quality, even when operating in 32 bit environment.
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Re:Beat not steady when I record
2012/11/08 12:50:16
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When I saw you ran the wave profiler I knew you were in the wrong mode, ASIO mode does not run that. That mode works but is not ideal as you cannot access the Tascam ASIO control panel.
Use ASIO mode, make sure you have the latest drivers downloaded from Tascam Support. Make sure they are listed as for W7 64 bit.
Use the Tascam control panel to set your clock rate and latency.
Make sure there is no sign of the real tech in any of the Sonar audio option dialog.
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