rog857
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Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
I recorded a lead section on my acoustic guitar directly through my pre-amp and I can't get rid of noise that sounds like reverb/echo. I've used the "Remove Silence" feature but that doesn't help. Anyone ever have this problem? How do you get a smooth acoustic sound without all the noise? Thanks!
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 14:05:29
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How did you record it? Microphone or DIed? If DIed, what sort of transducer does it have? Underbridge piezo, mic in body?
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 15:08:00
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Is what you are hearing a delay or a reverb? Those describe entirely different "sounds" . A delay could be easily explained by you somehow re-recording the output of your interface back into the input. Possibly your interface has a software mixer? Reverb can only be created by adding that effect with an outboard possessor or a Plug in.
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rog857
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 16:44:26
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I recorded directly into a DAKING Mic-Pre One. The sound I'm hearing sounds like reverb but I have no FX on the track. Weird. Must be some gremlin in the system. Guess I'll have to redo the track. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter. Mike
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 16:44:29
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Do you have any FX and/or Sends that are being routed to? If so you will need to address them either through by-passing or removing. Regards,
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 17:06:52
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Bear with me. Some people are gonna tilt their heads sideways at this one, but I swear it is true. I have been recording acoustic tracks for too long to tell and this one problem does crop up from time to time. Some guitars are really bad about ringing harmonics! The test is to strum the chord fairly hard and immediately kill or mute the strings from sounding. In a lot of cases, you can hear harmonic ringing after the muting of the chord. The most often found place that this happens is the portion of the strings between the nut and the tuning pegs. The main fix for this is to get a small piece of material such as felt and weave it between the strings to dampen those vibrations. If you record direct this problem tends to get very pronounced. A quick fix is to stick a guitar pick in between those strings. Picks tend to be stiff and cause tuning problems. I prefer a piece of felt or just tie a do-rag around the headstock just behind the nut. Not sure if this is the problem you speak of. I just know that I have had to do this from time to time even on my own guitars. Hope this helps.
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 18:18:14
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Sidroe, You're absolutely right--it was harmonics all along! Playing lead on strings 1 and 2 produced harmonics in my lower strings. I dampened the strings as you suggested and it worked! Thanks very much!! Mike
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 18:44:40
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Some guitars are really bad about ringing harmonics! It's not just acoustics. I've an original style Gibson ES135 which has a tunomatic bridge and trapeze tailpiece with several inches of string between them, and a pretty lively body resonance (the centre block is a very light balsa-like wood, not Gibson's usual mahogony). Resonance in the strings between bridge and tailpiece can show up through the pickups in all kinds of unlikely ways.
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 18:48:38
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If its harmonics, you wont get rid of it. Try using different strings, mics , mic placement, rooom and guitars to fix the issue Cj
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 18:52:20
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CJaysMusic If its harmonics, you wont get rid of it. Try using different strings, mics , mic placement, rooom and guitars to fix the issue Cj Or just tie a bit of cloth round the head, tailpiece etc., like Sidroe suggested..
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 20:10:16
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Maybe I used the wrong term. It would be referred to as sympathetic vibrations. It is the same process that makes pianos so resonant when you press down the damper pedal. When you push the pedal down it raises the dampers off of all the strings in the piano so instead of just the strings for one key vibrating you get all the strings that are resonating harmonics because all the strings in the piano are generating movement. No matter what gauge string you use there will always be that little bit of string resonating on the headstock. Not all guitars produce it as loud. Some are worse. We're talking about the parts of the strings passing over the nut to the tuning pegs.
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/08 20:23:46
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BTW, I am glad to have been of service. All the guys on here have been so helpful to me. It's nice to be able to return the favor every once and a while.
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/09 09:14:16
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Or just tie a bit of cloth round the head, tailpiece etc., like Sidroe suggested.. Or just tie a bit of cloth round the head, tailpiece etc., like Sidroe suggested.. But the guitar is already recorded JB? You cant tie a piece of cloth an a wave file Cj
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/09 10:57:05
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But the guitar is already recorded JB? You cant tie a piece of cloth an a wave file Oh, but you can! Cakewalk just released the brand new Cloth-Tie Pro Channel module just for this purpose. Just $99.95 at the Cakewalk Store. You can select Cotton, Wool, Silk, Nylon and Satin presets.
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/09 15:39:34
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> Oh, but you can! Cakewalk just released the brand new Cloth-Tie Pro Channel module just for this purpose. Just $99.95 at the Cakewalk Store. You can select Cotton, Wool, Silk, Nylon and Satin presets. There's also the Deluxe version with 40 shades of grey gag preset.
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/09 17:20:28
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Many thanks to all of you for your suggestions. When playing recording lead on my old Martin I now mute the lower strings when playing the top 3 strings and all sounds great. Having the cloth tie helps lessen the lower strings sympathetic vibrations. Also, I had some success working the Pro-Channel EQ--finding unwanted frequencies and cutting them. All in all,this is a pretty good workaround. Thanks again! Mike
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/09 21:04:02
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Great catch, Sidroe. As for tracks already recorded, rog857, I see you're using X2 which includes RMix. I've successfully used RMix to easily remove unwanted sound from a wav file. You might try playing around with it. Best, Rob
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/09 21:21:59
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I usually wrap rubber bands around my headstocks just for this
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/10 15:58:23
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Great idea Rob. I'll give that a try. Thanks for the suggestion Mike! All the best, Mike
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/10 18:03:24
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rog857 I recorded directly into a DAKING Mic-Pre One. The sound I'm hearing sounds like reverb but I have no FX on the track. Weird. Must be some gremlin in the system. Guess I'll have to redo the track. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter. Mike It's room noise, reflections, being picked up by the guitar strings. It is harmonics but what's exciting the strings to that level is reflections.
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/10 18:31:02
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CJaysMusic Or just tie a bit of cloth round the head, tailpiece etc., like Sidroe suggested.. Or just tie a bit of cloth round the head, tailpiece etc., like Sidroe suggested..
But the guitar is already recorded JB? You cant tie a piece of cloth an a wave file Cj But "Try using different strings, mics , mic placement, rooom and guitars to fix the issue" will work on a wave file, CJ?
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Re:Getting Noise Out of Acoustic Guitar Track
2012/11/11 11:00:42
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Sidroe is spot on. Sometimes if it is subtle, these harmonics can actually enhance your tracks. Though most of the time, they can be a pain.
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