mpop
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The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
Hi all, I just upgraded My Computer System and Retired my Legacy Yamaha 01X mLan firewire DAW controller. I replaced it in part with a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40, but I still need a full feature DAW controller. In my quest I have found that there has not been to many new products hitting the market. I see that what is on the market is old and most of it is a legacy or soon to be legacy products. Mackie, Tascam, Alisis, Yamaha have all dropped products with no new replacements. If you look at the drop down menu in X1 for adding a control surface you will see most of the choices are discontinued by the manufactures. So I am asking an open ended question, what is The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces. I have three choices I'm considering 1) Roland V-Studio 700C - 2) Avid Artist control or 3) Avid Artist Mix with Artist Transport. The V-Studio is BIG and costly, the Avid products are under EUCON control and twitchy at best with X1. I have E-mailed Cake, so far no word on the TRUE compatibility of EUCON with X1. I would like to hear your opinions or comments on The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces, Please no fist fights LOL Thanks, mpop
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 19:22:09
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I would go with a Mackie Control. Yes its old but that in and of itself is a recommendation.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 19:27:08
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I would go Mackie control as well. That protocol is not going away soon. They are also built like tanks. Soon it will all be touch screens s controllers (don't listen to the nay sayers, it's gonna happen). Until then, we are left with close to 10 year old gear for controlling our DAWs.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 19:55:03
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 20:15:51
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Heheh. Wow indeed. I stole that from the CH (forget who posted it). I was just trying to find out how much it costs to no avail which means it's likely the equivalent to the down payment on a house. :-/
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 20:20:29
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Maybe if all us active forum members pitch in ten bucks we could afford the trackball and keyboard.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 21:13:39
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HOLY Frick!! Hell yeah..put me down for a $100!!
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 21:31:37
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Soon cometh this in my sig Feature list locked. Debugging last hard bugs. Full Inline ProChannel Support 32 knob ACT More cool than words.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 21:34:57
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lol... Shipping it back and forth might be costly. Maybe we can start a Sonar + Raven commune somewhere. It will be glorious!
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 21:57:28
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Hey I'm with beepster, wait a sec, I have that extra $million I forgot about. LOL. But that does bring to the forefront of where I think the market is heading. With windows 8 being primarily a touch screen OS mostly used on ipads, I'm wondering if anything new will break at the winter NAM along the touch screen platform in the price range of us mortals. I'm a little gun shy right now about buying a known legacy controller. My Yamaha 01X became a boat anchor when drivers were not supported past Win XP, and yes the Mackie support is still here now but I would feel a lot more comfortable buying a current model if they had one. I am very disappointed that Roland has not come out with a smaller version of the V-Studio 700c. the V-100 and v-20 does not have what I need and the 700C well I'm not totally sold it's as solid as they say it is (reading about problems with 64bit drivers). So I will wait awhile (it gives me time to save, as I have just spent a small fortune on my system upgrade.) In the meantime I will keep looking foreword to your suggestions, That's why I love this forum because all of you ROCK. thanks, mpop
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 22:39:00
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The beauty of the Mackie Control is it doesn't use drivers. Each DAW supports it in its own way. Its a MIDI device and as long as you have a MIDI port it will work with any DAW that supports it. And as far as I can tell all do. Its highly unlikely to become a large paper weight.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 22:40:53
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BlixYZ Soon it will all be touch screens s controllers (don't listen to the nay sayers, it's gonna happen). sad, but true... like lemmings the populace rushes to use technology that benefit the manufacturers, not the users.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 23:20:41
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Good Lord!!! my wallet burned a hole in my jeans just thinking about what something like that would cost.... Love it though.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 23:21:58
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may end up with the Mackie anyway.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/10 23:38:15
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/11 00:15:06
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That Slate control surface is pretty cool. Of course, it has to be 'honking' huge. There's no way a touch screen will work with our fat fingers if the screen is loaded with a thousand little buttons unless you either: A: reduce the number of geegaws on the screen to make the remaining ones bigger (not likely with this crowd...) B: or make the screen even more 'humoungouser' to contain them I'm not sure what the aesthetics are of a monster screen 20 inches from your face, but it sounds like a headache generator to me. Time will tell. When researching a control surface for Sonar, I found the Mackie was out of my budget, so a single-fader style unit was my next choice. It came down to the FaderPort vs. the AlphaTrack. I choose the AlphaTrack as it had the better feature set (from my perspective). However, after researching it looks like Frontier Design is in hibernation and the AlphaTrack is no longer manufactured. I though about it for about 0.2 seconds and decided to get from eBay and I'm happy with it. A future design I'd like to see (assuming I ever run into some money...) is something similar to the Mackie with the following changes/features. - My perfect surface.... a: Replace the old LCD scribble-string with a meter bridge. b: OLED strip for track names. c: 4 pots per track (32 total) , ea with small OLED above it for name/value display d: Buttons to allow you to switch the pots from per track (sends or eq, etc.) to plug-in parameters for the 'selected track' - the OLED displays automatically update to reflect the current plug-in, status, etc. e: a general purpose assignable touch-screen similar to the Euphonics so you could make your own macro buttons and combinations, etc. Now back to stinking reality....
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/11 00:24:37
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Dell has a new 23 inch touchscreen coming out that folds horizontal on its stand. $650. Prices on such should drop on such. Pretty cool. @
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/11 03:01:24
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The Raven can't work with Sonar X series. It is too cluttered, and has a customizable toolbar.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/11 06:42:31
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What a shame the 01x doesn't do windows 7. I was completely gutted and now use mine as a digital mixing desk. I think Mlan was great apart from the rubbish support from yam obviously. Anyway, I went with an a500 pro controller keyboard and do think it works very well. Motorised faders it doesn't have but it has..... Sliders control track volumes. It remembers which windows you are in and allocates the controls appropriately. Easy to set up controls for all softsynth and effects, which it remembers forever. (Most of the time). Cheap. Good on space. Drum pads are ok. Lots of rotary controllers and sliders. Transport control. For me the 01x was great as it allowed hardware mixing and cubase/sonar software controls all from the one box. I think I would wait until some usb3 stuff comes out. That is the future IMHO. No need for FireWire anymore and usb3 is v fast so you should be able to get an 01x type of setup which includes the audio interface built in and will run very quickly and handle anything you throw at it. I think those vs700 are a total rip off tbh. The a series keyboards on the other hand are cheap and give everything the 01x did in terms of a controller, but with easier setup using act, which I find very easy to use and setup. I may get a fully fledged controller surface soon, but will wait until we see usb3 devices which are probably going to be very good value for money.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/11 08:55:55
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Touch works pretty well by now, my secondary monitor is multi touch, I use it when I work from my 88 weighted keys. It's mounted on a heavy duty vesa arm so I can position it any way I want. Only thing that needs to be fixed is the faders/knob problem that every DAW I've tried has, no idea why it can't work. Once that's fixed, I'm getting a large 40" non-capacitive (infrared like my current one, much better since they use glass that's hard to scratch) touch screen and building a custom studio desk with the screen built in at an angle so I can rest my hands on the table and ditching my controllers.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/11 09:02:19
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I hope that hardware isn't completely taken out by touch screen. I personally prefer the feel of real controls but then again I'm old-ish. I can't see it taking over completely but there's no denying that manufacturers are going to be going all out to convince us we need it.
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Re:The Future of Hardware DAW Control Surfaces
2012/11/11 09:21:02
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My reason for going with touch asap is that I've never ever found a controller that does it all, and then I end up having to switch between more than one or click banks, scroll though presets etc.. and once I'm done with that, it has taken longer than just grabbing the mouse, making the controller completely pointless. No setup, no wear or tear, no special drivers, no reliance on special hardware and since everyone is pushing it so hard with win8 now, good high resolution multi touch will become dirt cheap.
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