Is TH2 incredibly noisy?

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2012/11/12 08:14:06 (permalink)

Is TH2 incredibly noisy?

I love me some TH2. The modeling and cabinets sound fantastic.  But it seems with any of the heavy gain settings (especially using their pedals) the hiss/fuzz/loud as hell noise when not playing is ridiculous.  

I have to set up aggressive noise gates on all my guitar tracks, and even then, I have to do serious slip editing to eliminate any audible noise after playing stops.

Am I alone on this?  I am running a humbucking guitar straight into an octacapture.  Thoughts?


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    cclarry
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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 08:32:19 (permalink)
    No, you're not alone...

    They have modeled the Amps right down to the "noise" that they make....

    So, just as in real life, you will have to set up gates and edit to eliminate.

    That's just the way they have been modeled.  For "authenticity"




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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 08:38:27 (permalink)
    You don't have an old CRT display do you? They induce a lot of noise via the pickups. Flat panels don't have that problem. 

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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 09:11:39 (permalink)
    I figured as much on the "authenticity" bit, but I have become pretty spoiled with nice silent emulations.  Wanted to make sure it wasn't something on my end.  I'll suffer through some noise gating to get those tones though.  

    Thanks for the confirmation.

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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 11:03:18 (permalink)
    The noise is here too. A noisegate will suffice..

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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 11:13:14 (permalink)
    Are you guys using the Gate knob in the Master section? It will eliminate the unwanted noise far better than the pedals. At the top of the TH2 GUI click the "Master" button and it will give you global controls... one of which is Gate. It is quite powerful and it eliminated all the idle noise for me when using heavy distortion. As with most gates though you need to find the right balance or it will cut into the tones you actually want. 

    If you guys are using the gate already I don't know what could be goin on because it works well here.

    The other global knobs are extremely useful for tweaking too. It takes the already good tones of TH2 and makes them better. Particularly messing with the Tone knob. Cheers.
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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 11:29:52 (permalink)
    Hmm, I always thought the excessive noise on TH2/Guitar Rig etc was more of a problem with single coil guitars. My last humbucker guitar, an Epiphone Spotlight, only really made that hum through a real overdriven amp when you coil tapped the pickups. 

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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 11:35:45 (permalink)
      When you crank up the sauce humbuckers won't stop the noise. I pretty much use humbuckers exclusively and have alway had to control unwanted noise and feedback. It's just something that happens with lots of distortion. 
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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 12:06:56 (permalink)
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    Are you guys using the Gate knob in the Master section? It will eliminate the unwanted noise far better than the pedals. At the top of the TH2 GUI click the "Master" button and it will give you global controls... one of which is Gate. It is quite powerful and it eliminated all the idle noise for me when using heavy distortion. As with most gates though you need to find the right balance or it will cut into the tones you actually want. 

    If you guys are using the gate already I don't know what could be goin on because it works well here.

    The other global knobs are extremely useful for tweaking too. It takes the already good tones of TH2 and makes them better. Particularly messing with the Tone knob. Cheers.



    Thanks for this, Beepster. Great tip for us Amp Modeling NewBBBBs

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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 12:20:29 (permalink)
    No problem. It's a bit of a weird program with lots of hidden features but definitely worth the effort of learning properly. I highly recommend opening up the program and reading through the manual while checking everything out. There are quite a few very important aspects that can be easily overlooked if you aren't aware of them. Cheers.
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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 13:25:39 (permalink)
    Nice.  I have not really messed with the global settings much.  I'll check them out.

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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 13:47:04 (permalink)
    Glad to help. You mentioned having to slip edit your clips. You should be doing this anyway especially when using high gain settings. It just makes the end results much cleaner sounding. There are other ways to approach this though. You can use volume automation or use a setting in Sonar that completely cuts any signal below a certain level however that last one can lead to things being cut that you don't intend to or make the start/ends of the clips sound weird. I ALWAYS slip edit and create fades on my tracks. It takes a bit of time but IMO is totally worth it and it gets you right into the mix with your ears and mind. I was however having some problems in X2 with other random clips being selected other than the one I was working on. Some kind of weird bug. I solved it by using the Clip Lock feature on all the other tracks which does exactly what the name implies. Locks them so the can't be move, deleted, edited, etc... To do this "Select" the track by clicking the track number so it turns blue (you can group select to lock multiple tracks and lock them all at once) then press I on your keyboard to open the Inspector, click the "Clips" tab at the top of the inspector to open the Properties section. Then click the dropdown beside "Lock" and select "Pos/Data" and it will lock all the clips in the track.

    More info than was requested but I'm bored. Cheers.
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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/12 16:20:55 (permalink)
    sven450


    I figured as much on the "authenticity" bit, but I have become pretty spoiled with nice silent emulations.  Wanted to make sure it wasn't something on my end.  I'll suffer through some noise gating to get those tones though.  

    Thanks for the confirmation.

    what should a "silent emulation" be?
    a distortion pedal by nature and function also generates noise - its not a bug . its reality 


    i guess that those plugs you name silent are plugs that have a gate somwhere where you didnt realize it - cos adding a strong denoiser in a distortion would not be a good idea - would loose the sparkle 


    btw...obviously you should insert the gate BEFORE distorting - lol

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    Re:Is TH2 incredibly noisy? 2012/11/13 16:14:15 (permalink)
    rmix has a cool noise reduction feature that I used on real life amp noise, and it worked well. I also used it to fox a female vocal track where the vocalist was blowing on the microphone. it didn't work when there was only noise.
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