Sharing a midi device between Sonar X1 and another audio program not possible

I'm not sure I understand. You have a midi box wich is attached over usb to your computer. That midi box should be visible in Sonar. The hardware harmonizer is attached to the midibox with midi cables. The in and outputs of the harmonizer are connected to what? And what else is configured?

If you are asking questions this way, do you know what you are doing? I assume you are a novice with a room full of recently acquired gear? If so, there is a steep learningcurve ahead.

windplayer


Hello! My Problem is, that I have two audio programs (Sonar X1 and a harmonizer [realtime harmonizer]) which should share the midi-input of the same midi device. But if I use one program, the other can not use the midi device any more at the same time. It can not be chosen in Sonar X1, if opened in the other program. I know other midi-devices which offer more midi-in ports. Is there a possibility to separate/split the midi-in port of a midi-device in two midi-ins so every program can use one? Or do you know if Sonar X1 is able to master this problem in another way?

Sounds like you need a Loopback MIDI Driver do a google search there are several free ones. Sometimes referred to as a virtual midi driver.

slartabartfast


MidiYoke used to do something like that, but they have not kept it up with newer operating systems. 

I have not used this, but it may be what you are looking for, but again latest support is listed as Vista:

http://nerds.de/en/loopbe30.html

And this may be useful, but the description on the site is too sketchy to say much:

http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html

I have loopbe installed on win 7 64 bit have not noticed any issues so far.

windplayer

I have a virtual midi cable. That does not help in this case. But the advice with the multiclient driver could be helpful. I will try that.

I guess I misunderstood your issue then I thought you needed to connect the midi-out from sonar to the midi-in of the harmonizer in real time. Hope you find a solution.

Those saying a multi-client driver are right, and it's the best solution if one is available.

Otherwise, using MIDIox as a virtual splitter seems to work OK for me on Win7 64bit with UAC disabled.

I found the Asio Multiclient application. Unfortunately, it does not work with Sonar X1 64bit. Sonar X1 offers other audio drivers. Is it possible to use one of them, if another audio application uses another one? [I will try that.] tlw, you write about MidiOx as virtual splitter. I am not familiar with MidiOx. Do you have a short description or some screenshots of how to get a virtual splitter for a midi in device?

Should be able to just drop the shortcut for MIDI-OX into the "Startup"
 folder in your "Programs" menu.

Provided the hardware connections haven't changed, MIDI-OX should start configured the same way as its last session.
 
MIDI-OX is definitely "THE" MIDI utility to have in the DAW arsenal!!

rabeach

tlw


Those saying a multi-client driver are right, and it's the best solution if one is available.

Otherwise, using MIDIox as a virtual splitter seems to work OK for me on Win7 64bit with UAC disabled.

I really can’t see the difference they both appear to use a buffer to copy data and allow two applications to use one midi stream. Maybe some one can explain the difference to me. One is more stable than the other?

Stability has little to do with it. A multi-client driver will usually be supplied by the manufacturer of MIDI gear to go with their hardware. If one isn't available for the hardware, or in the case of software the software won't let you share a MIDI port with other software, a tool like MIDIox (or one of the other MIDI "virtual cables" around) comes into it's own.


MIDIox though does a lot of other things all of which are useful. Not just a MIDI router, it's also good for testing and fault finding, sysex dumps and all kinds of things. If you want to find out where MIDI is going in a PC, it makes the job easy. One of the most useful MIDI tools there is, and completely free.

rivers88


Should be able to just drop the shortcut for MIDI-OX into the "Startup"
 folder in your "Programs" menu.

Provided the hardware connections haven't changed, MIDI-OX should start configured the same way as its last session.
 
MIDI-OX is definitely "THE" MIDI utility to have in the DAW arsenal!!

I copied the shortcut in the autostart folder. Problem is that the configuration only lasts, if the loop-cable is opened before. And both applications, Midi ox and loop cable, starts at the same time (or the cable before Midi Ox, I do not know). Is there a possibility to define the Autostart-options so that Midi ox is started AFTER the virtual loop cable?

rivers88

windplayer

rivers88


Should be able to just drop the shortcut for MIDI-OX into the "Startup"
 folder in your "Programs" menu.

Provided the hardware connections haven't changed, MIDI-OX should start configured the same way as its last session.
 
MIDI-OX is definitely "THE" MIDI utility to have in the DAW arsenal!!

I copied the shortcut in the autostart folder. Problem is that the configuration only lasts, if the loop-cable is opened before. And both applications, Midi ox and loop cable, starts at the same time (or the cable before Midi Ox, I do not know). Is there a possibility to define the Autostart-options so that Midi ox is started AFTER the virtual loop cable?

Other options -
 
Setup the the virtual MIDI driver you're using to run as a Windows Service automatically - it should load ahead of anything in the Startup folder.
(You may have to do a web search to see how to do that for your particular driver ~ generally pretty easy).
 
OR
 
Leave the virtual MIDI driver as you have it now.
Insted of adding MIDI-OX to the Startup folder, pin it to the Taskbar or Start Menu.
You can then start MIDI-OX with one mouse click.

Interesting idea, to run the virtual MIDI driver as Windows Service.
I use the Loop cable of Tobias Erichson and installed the NT wrapper to define the cable as Windows Service.
http://www.duodata.de/ntwrapper/
The service appears, but the application does not open. :-(

cornieleous

Muziekschuur at home


I'm not sure I understand. You have a midi box wich is attached over usb to your computer. That midi box should be visible in Sonar. The hardware harmonizer is attached to the midibox with midi cables. The in and outputs of the harmonizer are connected to what? And what else is configured?

If you are asking questions this way, do you know what you are doing? I assume you are a novice with a room full of recently acquired gear? If so, there is a steep learningcurve ahead.

What a pompous, unhelpful, arrogant post full of assumptions.
 

 

There's a lot of that in this forum.