elijahlucian
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is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
i feel this is honestly probably the biggest advantage for hardware synths. you can simply change the banks by pressing a button or turning a knob. i have never been able to figure out how to change patches in VSTis with a controller. seems like something that it should be able to do at a minimum!!! anybody figure this out at all? p.s. i understand it would be impossible in things like dimension pro as it seems you have to actually load a file or something and there are no "left right" buttons in the plugin. but in z3ta, you should be able to do this somehow.
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 00:13:19
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The short answer is that if a soft synth supports Program Change commands, you will generally see Bank and Patch lists in the corresponding widgets of the MIDI track (or MIDI tab of a Simple Instrument track), and the Patch Browser at the bottom. Z3TA+ does in fact support this. But as you figured out, Dimension Pro, and other synths that have to load big sample libraries don't generally support MIDI Program Change, though I'm sure there are exceptions.
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elijahlucian
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 00:26:25
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any advice on how to link this to my keyboard?
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 00:35:01
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Here is the problem...a soft synth will take time to load another patch into ram and you do not want that occuring during the middle of playback. The solution...you have unlimited tracks in Sonar so create another track and load another instance of Z3ta.
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elijahlucian
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 02:01:03
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oh yeah, i am not thinking of doing this during project playback, but rather just during the jamming / writing process.
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 02:38:06
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i can do this with z3ta and oxy 49 controller. the best handling ive seen for it is in kontakt and massive.
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 02:40:22
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oh and with z3ta 2 what you can do is create a subdirectory with the patches you want to use and then midi learn the left and right buttons and map them to your keyboard to scroll through them.
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 03:53:36
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the other thing that ive been doing in dimension and rapture is reconfiguring sfz files to work with keyswitches. takes a bit of programming but works for the most part like a program change.
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elijahlucian
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 09:09:35
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so what you are saying is there is no generic patch control pre-defined in the vsts? i thought vstis were programmed to midi standard, which accept patch control... ?
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 11:44:22
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some are and some arent. comes down to the programmer and needs of the synth. as an example take a si keyboard track and add automation on the midi lane. volume is mapped but pan isnt. general midi synths are mapped to the midi stanard but other synths the mappings are left open to assignment. you can see this in kontakt too because there are so many diff ways to map parameters to controls.
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 11:46:09
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oh and the way you send bank and patch changes is dependent on how your keyboard is designed. what kind do you have?
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elijahlucian
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 13:01:13
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well that is actually the main reason why i brought this up. i am currently designing a 4 pedal conrol that will switch between banks and patches, eliminating the need to take your hands off the keys to get the right sound. it will use 4 switches and the arduino via serial/midi bus sending the standard midi control signals for bank and program changes. i will also install a switch/step potentiometer to switch between different cc settings..
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 13:22:45
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unfortunately i think youllrun into a limited number of vstis youll be able to use it with. might want to take a look at something like ni rig kontrol to see how its implemented what i typically do in sonar is have several midi tracks set to diff channels controlling soft synths then switch channels on my controller for diff sounds.
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elijahlucian
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Re:is it possible to change banks / patches from a midi controller?
2012/11/17 13:30:21
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argh i don't understand why programmers would neglect basic midi implementation! well i know it should work for z3ta2 at least lol. which is one of the main ones tbh. i have contacted image line so hopefully i can get some answers for their synths.
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