sharke
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Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
Actually this is a complaint that I have with a lot of modern synths, but Z3TA+2 in particular.
Admittedly I haven't learned how to create sounds from scratch in Z3TA yet. But the presets should give you a pretty good idea of the kind of thing that can be done with it, and they should be good starting points to start tweaking. However I don't think there's really a half decent bass sound in the 100+ bass presets that's in there. It's nigh impossible to discern any definite pitch in any of them, they all seem to be tuneless variations of a very low pitched fart. In fact most of these should be classed as sound effects, not bass. Let's have some more musical bass presets please!
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/17 22:34:37
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I've had a lot of fun with the bass stuff with Zeta, so I register my disagreement. What about those goofy halloweeny ones. They were fun. I did a mix with one of those that was really smiley. My kid said it reminded her of the sound track from the Garfield DS game in the dungeon. Perfect for halloweeny sounds. :-)
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/17 22:38:23
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The Halloween stuff was Rapture, no?
But this is what I mean, most of them seem to be goofy or fun sounding. I'm a big fan of retro electro bass sounds, but as long as they're musical (i.e. of a definite pitch).
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/17 23:34:25
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many of the bass sounds use several oscillators that are detuned, or warped... hence a 'what note is that" result.. so pick a potential patch and tune that puppy in..lol.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/17 23:52:29
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Hmm sounds like I really need to watch the Z3TA tutorial video so that I'm not blindly groping around in the dark! Still think there should be more "musical" presets though.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/17 23:55:31
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 00:43:52
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Z3ta has a lot of potential once you learn how to program it. I still have a lot to learn but I am getting so as I can create useful sounds. I forgot about the Video. I shall have to watch it.
I think the presets are aimed at a certain type of music, but the synth is capable of much more.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 00:48:42
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I'm definitely going to watch that video. I need a crash course in synths in general. I can get to know a particular synth quite well, in that I work out what the settings do by trial and error (even some of the really wacky Reaktor synths which are great fun) but I never have a clear cut idea of what I'm doing and why things are reacting the way they are.
Perhaps if I watch that video some of the stuff I pick up will apply to things like Massive as well.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 00:54:59
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I know that a lot of people are selling off all their hardware stuff and going 100% in the box. But...I have yet to hear any soft synths that can compare to the hardware stuff. I have a Roland XV88 with the SRX02 concert piano card...a Korg 03R/W rack module...a Yamaha V50 synth from the early 90's, etc. and even the 20 year old stuff sound better than any of the soft synth stuff.
Of course, I am talking about actual "usable" musical instrument sounds. The old hardware stuff has plenty of the wacky space sounds too...which is about all I have found in the soft synths I have which pretty much consist of what came with SONAR X1 and X2.
Then again....this is just my opinion....and you know what they say about opinions..... :) .
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 00:59:03
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 01:14:29
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Actually I like the DSF strings CW gave us recently. And also like my Superior Drummer 2.0 sounds as well as Session Drummer. But as far as pianos, basses, woodwinds, etc.,...I still prefer my hardware.
Dim Pro has some decent sounds, but I really haven't found much in Z3TA or Rapture that is very usable in the type of music I do which ranges from 70's rock/pop/easy listening to country.
And I am by no means dissing any of CW's synths...just stating my personal prefs.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 02:49:46
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I think most of the bass sounds are musical. Just depends on what style of music you are doing and what you actually call music. I have most of the Zeta expansion packs, and I can say, I feel Zeta is more geared toward dubsteb and fills a spacific sound for soft synths of that gere, however you can still create simple electro bases with it too. I feel each soft synth fills a spacific sonic palete and has it's own sound that is unique onto itself. If I really want musical electro bases, I may look to D-cam, or really droney stuff Absynth, or very orginal digital waveforms FM8. I don't try to recreate the wheele with a new synth I try to surpass It.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 04:42:42
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Dim Pro has some decent sounds, but I really haven't found much in Z3TA or Rapture that is very usable in the type of music I do which ranges from 70's rock/pop/easy listening to country.
And I am by no means dissing any of CW's synths...just stating my personal prefs.
I think a lot of that is because the presets are geared towards electronic dance music. Both Z3ta and Rapture can deliver a lot more. There was a long discussion on the software forum a while back. Here is the link for those who don't stray down there. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2674262 While you probably don't want a wobble bass or a hoover in your 70's rock track there is no reason why you have to limit yourself to a Minimoog or ARP Oddesy emulation either. I recommend checking out Xenos Soundworks "Vintage 70s and 80s" patch set for Z3ta+ and Z3ta 2, at the very least they are a good starting point and show another side of the synth. I cut my synthesizer teeth on a EMS Synthi A (the suitcase version of the VCS3) in the early '70s. The waveshaping options of Z3ta were something we could only dream of, along with something that would stay in tune.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 08:51:03
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sharke
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 11:33:02
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I think most of the bass sounds are musical. Just depends on what style of music you are doing and what you actually call music. I have most of the Zeta expansion packs, and I can say, I feel Zeta is more geared toward dubsteb and fills a spacific sound for soft synths of that gere, however you can still create simple electro bases with it too. I feel each soft synth fills a spacific sonic palete and has it's own sound that is unique onto itself. If I really want musical electro bases, I may look to D-cam, or really droney stuff Absynth, or very orginal digital waveforms FM8. I don't try to recreate the wheele with a new synth I try to surpass It.
FM8 is one of my favorites for bass sounds. I think it has one of the largest ratios of clear, musical, usable electro bass sounds out there, and the effects are great.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 11:38:04
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Dim Pro has some decent sounds, but I really haven't found much in Z3TA or Rapture that is very usable in the type of music I do which ranges from 70's rock/pop/easy listening to country.
And I am by no means dissing any of CW's synths...just stating my personal prefs.
I think a lot of that is because the presets are geared towards electronic dance music. Both Z3ta and Rapture can deliver a lot more. There was a long discussion on the software forum a while back. Here is the link for those who don't stray down there. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2674262
While you probably don't want a wobble bass or a hoover in your 70's rock track there is no reason why you have to limit yourself to a Minimoog or ARP Oddesy emulation either. I recommend checking out Xenos Soundworks "Vintage 70s and 80s" patch set for Z3ta+ and Z3ta 2, at the very least they are a good starting point and show another side of the synth.
I cut my synthesizer teeth on a EMS Synthi A (the suitcase version of the VCS3) in the early '70s. The waveshaping options of Z3ta were something we could only dream of, along with something that would stay in tune.
I checked out the Xenos Soundworks patches and they sound great, may well snap those up. I'm a sucker for retro 80's synth sounds.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 11:39:36
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Yea, a lot of the basses are special effects kind of sounds perfect for dance/electronica styles. To clear up and get started w/ Z3TA 1/2 or any thickened bass find the ocillator on/off. Start turning them off and see if you can get something more "pitchy" - clear and musical. If preset one doesn't work, go to bass 2 and solo the osc. Rinse and repeat.
I often "hear" something interesting in a patch and proceed until I isolate it. Then build up around it, either w/in the same synth or layering w/ another interesting sound found in another synth. Programming made simple.
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 11:40:10
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/18 15:07:19
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Sharke- Yep.. the standard presets seem geared toward dubstep and electronic dance music (which I like some of), but DO check out the Xenos (and DSF) sound paks. You may find some useable sounds there. I bought the Powerhouse Dance and Vintage 70s and 80s paks and am pretty pleased with them.
There seems to be TONS of tweakability in Z3ta, so we probably ougtta learn some programming... LOL
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Re:Lack of decent bass sounds in Z3TA+2
2012/11/19 16:09:40
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I've used some of the bass sounds in Z3ta+2 and think they're great... of course they want you to buy other sound kits... if you hookup a sub to your studio monitor station, you really notice them... I often double the bass guitar with a synth and it sounds grand.
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