Dave Modisette
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Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
Seems that if I have a FX chain in the Prochannel when I freeze a track, the input and output level of the FX Chain jumps up to zero db just before the Freeze and I don't get the results I expect in the track.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 20:29:41
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Is no one seeing this.
Insert an FX chain into the Prochannel. You don't have to have an effect in it. Set the output volume level to -inf. You shouldn't hear anything in the track. Freeze the track. I'm getting audio at that point.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 20:56:56
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when you put an effect in the fx chain it works.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 21:10:55
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swamptooth
when you put an effect in the fx chain it works.
For some reason, not for me. Doesn't matter whether a FX is in the chain or not here. Do you have the hot fix installed?
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 21:14:45
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yeah. are your global on/of for prochannel and the fx chain power buttons on?
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 21:51:23
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it works for me. I've replicated. Interesting. Ok.. Pro channel appears to not be applied. It removes the zeroing of the output level from the FX chain (raising it to 0 from -inf). It's as if the Pro Channel isn't applied. Also it modified it. I think this qualifies as needing more info and perhaps a bug submission. Ok, first test, I pulled the output to -inf and applied Freezing. Output of the FX Chain went to 0 and the track froze. The FX were not applied. If I bypassed the PC at that point the track plays without any PC FX. Next, I turned on the compressor and pulled down both input and output on the PC FX Chain plug. After bouncing, both input and output faders were zero'd on the FX Chain PC Plug. The compressor PC Plug was still enabled. If freezing doesn't apply PC by default, at least it shouldn't modify the FX Chain PC module settings.
post edited by gswitz - 2012/11/25 22:17:41
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 22:41:21
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swamptooth
yeah. are your global on/of for prochannel and the fx chain power buttons on?
Yes. I can hear that the Prochannel is working on the track but the issue is only with the Input and Output volumes when you freeze the track. They shift to 0db and then when you unfreeze the track they remain at 0db.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 23:06:01
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yeah that happened for me until i inserted and effect. not after.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 23:09:47
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For me, it happens with an effect inserted.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 23:10:21
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Yes, thats kind of what I meant in this post here along with the rest of the annoying issues http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2721233 Freezing then unfreezing softsynth sometimes resets Pro channel settings, you wouldn't know to look at them, but you can hear it.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 23:21:05
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We have received your report. Your report number is as follows: CWBRN-13200
I reported this to cakewalk.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 23:24:04
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@Rasure
Are there other reproducible cases like this? Is this the only case where PC settings get modified, or are there lots of them?
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/25 23:47:23
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Mod Bod
Is no one seeing this.
Insert an FX chain into the Prochannel. You don't have to have an effect in it. Set the output volume level to -inf. You shouldn't hear anything in the track. Freeze the track. I'm getting audio at that point.
As soon as you hit Freeze the volume returns to 0db. - Confirmed.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/26 00:16:47
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the thing is the prochannel fx are included in the freeze so to compensate, all prochannel modules will be reset and/or turned off because otherwise they would be duplicating fx already applied to the audio generated by freezing. i don't agree with resetting parameters, but turning off or bypassing pc after a freeze is a definite necessity.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/26 07:35:25
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@Swamptooth
Pro Channel FX Don't seem to be being applied in the Freeze. That's just the thing. And they aren't being turned off. The PC master bypass is still off (routing the track through the PC). It appears that only FX in the FX Bin are being applied. and on top of that, parameters in the PC are being altered >> At the very least, the input and output faders on the FX Chain Pro Channel insert.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/26 09:01:28
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swamptooth
the thing is the prochannel fx are included in the freeze so to compensate, all prochannel modules will be reset and/or turned off because otherwise they would be duplicating fx already applied to the audio generated by freezing. i don't agree with resetting parameters, but turning off or bypassing pc after a freeze is a definite necessity.
Agreed. The purpose for freezing a track is to temporary (or permanently) render the FX in a track in order to free resources. So in effect, what you hear before the freeze should be exactly what you get after the freeze except that the FX will be disabled (but not reset from the user's tweaks.)
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/26 11:00:51
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I don't usually freeze the effects with softsynths, but as with alot of issues they are random, I notice when I unfreeze a synth, maybe to edit the midi, it sometimes resets the FX I have applied to it, well I assume thats whats happening, you cant see the changes to the FX, but you can hear the sound change from freeze to unfreeze, its why I replied to this post as it was very similar to one of many issue in my other thread.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/26 17:09:29
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Well this thread explains some of the issues that I've been having but haven't trouble shot it down to the actual problem.
Thanks Mod Bod.
I hope the bakers fix it soon and an update fix is released real soon.
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/27 00:22:05
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@rasure - i've noticed that sometimes when i unfreeze synths, bypass fx bin for the track is still enabled but i haven't ever had parameters changed. @gswitz - take a check by doing this...
take an audio track of anything.
open prochannel
turn on the compressor
set the makeup gain to -12 or something
freeze the audio track
the resulting audio should have the compression applied to it. if you'll notice the master prochannel button is off but the makeup gain setting should still be -12 and the power to the compressor should still be on. i think sometimes people see the individual module power buttons and overlook the main prochannel power.
so if you unfreeze the track and play back you'll get your original audio... the prochannel will have main power off but compressor power on. the mug should still be -12 or so.
if that's not what's happening on your system, not sure what's going on....
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Freezing FX Chain in Prochannel issue
2012/11/28 08:45:56
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gswitz
We have received your report. Your report number is as follows: CWBRN-13200
I reported this to cakewalk.
Thanks for reporting this but I would think that if this problem isn't already in the "to do" list to be fixed then a whole group of people should be evaluated for their usefulness. Track Freeze is one of the primary reasons I came back to SONAR from my foray to Reaper. Seeing as how this was a bullet point new feature, I can't justify in my mind why this far after the release date, the problem still exists. My $.02.
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