quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ??

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quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ??

So on a quadcore laptop w 8gb ram with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2, what is running smoother.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? Thxs
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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/25 21:38:23 (permalink)
    i would stick with win7 for now !
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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/25 21:48:09 (permalink)
    +1 for windows 8

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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/25 23:25:57 (permalink)
    I done 5 installs today on windows 8 laptops for the kids. After the first 20-30 min I really dig it. Personally I plan on upgrading very very soon.
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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 02:05:46 (permalink)
    Well - if you only use Komplete 8 and X2 you can get away with it. Keep in mind there will be an X2 update for W8, so at this moment X2 is not guaranteed to work without flaws. Another problem is drivers and older plugins. Because W8 is released just a while ago, it is possible some -not yet updated- drivers will give problems. Some hardware drivers will never get an update (like we have seen with older hardware and W7). Older plugins are another problem. It is possible strange things could happen (like freezes, crashes, dropouts etc.) because they are not updated. In general If your computer will become "mission critical" I would advise to stick with W7 for now (just buy the inexpensive update to W8 now, so you can inexpensively update on a later date), and wait for a while until you are certain no strange things will happen. If it is a "add-on" computer and you don't mind to take some (admitted not so big) risks, then go for W8. This is just my point of view - other people will give other advises, so in the end you are the one to decide...
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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 02:44:12 (permalink)
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    Well - if you only use Komplete 8 and X2 you can get away with it. Keep in mind there will be an X2 update for W8, so at this moment X2 is not guaranteed to work without flaws. Another problem is drivers and older plugins. Because W8 is released just a while ago, it is possible some -not yet updated- drivers will give problems. Some hardware drivers will never get an update (like we have seen with older hardware and W7). Older plugins are another problem. It is possible strange things could happen (like freezes, crashes, dropouts etc.) because they are not updated. In general If your computer will become "mission critical" I would advise to stick with W7 for now (just buy the inexpensive update to W8 now, so you can inexpensively update on a later date), and wait for a while until you are certain no strange things will happen. If it is a "add-on" computer and you don't mind to take some (admitted not so big) risks, then go for W8. This is just my point of view - other people will give other advises, so in the end you are the one to decide...


    Just awhile ago? Its been out for way over a year. I first heard about it 4 years ago. The notion that its not ready yet is untrue. 

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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 03:22:16 (permalink)
    Ehh.. The final version is released for public on 26 October 2012. Before that it was only available for MSDN subscribers. And - yes.. there was a consumer preview version available on 16 february 2012, but that version was not really the same as the final version (as an example - you could still use the aero transparency in the preview version, but in the final version it is disabled). Anyway - there is no guarantee older plugins/drivers will work good with the FINAL version of W8. My advise is to try it out, but be aware some things could not work - and it is possible they will never be upgraded... that's all. I have been working as troubleshooter in the IT department of a large organization, and it was common practice to test all possible combinations of hard- and software for a 6 month period, before rolling it out in a "mission critical" environment. I will admit this practice has become standard for me, and it has some influence on the advise I give here... sorry about that..
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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 03:49:31 (permalink)
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    Ehh.. The final version is released for public on 26 October 2012. Before that it was only available for MSDN subscribers. And - yes.. there was a consumer preview version available on 16 february 2012, but that version was not really the same as the final version (as an example - you could still use the aero transparency in the preview version, but in the final version it is disabled). Anyway - there is no guarantee older plugins/drivers will work good with the FINAL version of W8. My advise is to try it out, but be aware some things could not work - and it is possible they will never be upgraded... that's all. I have been working as troubleshooter in the IT department of a large organization, and it was common practice to test all possible combinations of hard- and software for a 6 month period, before rolling it out in a "mission critical" environment. I will admit this practice has become standard for me, and it has some influence on the advise I give here... sorry about that..

    The plugins I have installed work. They run the gamut from Ozone 5 and 4 to Kontakt 5, Battery, Steven Slate Drums 4,  BFD eco  GPO, Melda stuff too. Also Moog Mod 5. Oh, as well as Nugen 32 bit plugins.  Not one plugin I have tried has failed. The only caution is be sure to have Windows 8 hardware drivers. X2 Pro is solid as a rock so far on win 8. 

    One thing I have looked out for in this forum are negative posts from Windows 8 users. I have seen none. Its the ones that don't have it that cation not to get it yet. I wonder why that is?

    Use your common sense here and try to list error reports due to running Windows 8 and X2. Its great to be safe with an OS. Its another thing to be paranoid. Because I had the opportunity to test it well enough before I bought it and fully committed to it I am rather confident with it.  

    We all had that same opportunity if we chose. I think its time for the uncommitted to sit back and see what the results are before giving advice about it.  


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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 12:45:10 (permalink)
    My black friday laptop already has 8 on it, but it seems slow and I don't want shopping and social network windows and cute little animations bloating it down. I already have an 8gb ram kit coming. I looked in resources and so much had been absorbed purely in running 8... Tips / Tweaks for performance in win 8 ???? Thanks for all the replies!!! gh426
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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 13:13:30 (permalink)
    So...there´s no way to install win7 on an  new system...

    1. I run it on a second PC (same SystemConfig). Win8 runs with quiet a bit better performance for audio...not very much... but "feel"...;)
    2. As I wrote on "1." there´s no need (like the issues we´d got on XP vs. Vista) to install the older windows. 
    3. All drivers and PlugIns on my system running perfectly.
      4. Most of the developers who can´t guarantee win8 comp. will releasing patches very soon...   
    post edited by thearclight - 2012/11/26 14:36:05

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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 14:08:43 (permalink)
    Yes, Win IS still available...

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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 22:43:32 (permalink)
    I was just about to post a warning on Windows 8.

    I had been running Windows 7 x64 for quite a long time, and had really great system latency, as reported by DPC Latency Checker - less than 100 us.  I decided a few days back to go ahead and perform a clean install on the same hardware to Windows 8 Pro x64.

    The installation of all software was fine, but with no hardware changes whatsoever, I now see a consistent latency, as reported by DPC Latency Checker, at more than 1000 us.  That's NOT cool.

    I have been through the exercise of disabling both hardware devices, running applications and services, and still have not found out what is causing the massive increase in reported latency.  

    So, MY vote is to wait a bit before jumping into Windows 8, until some more folks get a chance to report back on their experiences.

    If I cannot determine the cause of the 10-fold increase in system latency by tonight, I will likely tomorrow be reverting back, via a clean install, to Windows 7 x64.

    I will post back tomorrow my solution or my re-install.

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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 22:54:08 (permalink)
    Well, I am having CROW for dinner, it seems.

    I just finished posting above, about how suddenly DPC Latency checker is reporting extremely high latency on my newly-installed Windows 8 system.

    I went off to look for web info on Windows 8 latency and found a REALLY informative blurb from the DPC Latency site itself:

    Here is what they say:

    Windows 8 Compatibility: The DPC latency utility runs on Windows 8 but does not show correct values. The output suggests that the Windows 8 kernel performs badly and introduces a constant latency of one millisecond which is not the case in practice. DPCs in the Windows 8 kernel behave identical to Windows 7. The utility produces incorrect results because the implementation of kernel timers has changed in Windows 8 which causes a side effect with the measuring algorithm used by the utility. Thesycon is working on a new version of the DPC latency utility and will make it available on this site as soon as it is finished.
     
    DPC Latency Checker for Windows 7, Windows 7 x64, Windows Vista, Windows Vista x64, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2003 x64, Windows XP, Windows XP x64, Windows 2000


    So I take it all back - I will be leaving Windows 8 Pro x64 on my system and please just ignore my earlier post on this - sorry about all the fuss.

    Bob Bone



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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/26 23:01:12 (permalink)
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    I was just about to post a warning on Windows 8.

    I had been running Windows 7 x64 for quite a long time, and had really great system latency, as reported by DPC Latency Checker - less than 100 us.  I decided a few days back to go ahead and perform a clean install on the same hardware to Windows 8 Pro x64.

    The installation of all software was fine, but with no hardware changes whatsoever, I now see a consistent latency, as reported by DPC Latency Checker, at more than 1000 us.  That's NOT cool.

    I have been through the exercise of disabling both hardware devices, running applications and services, and still have not found out what is causing the massive increase in reported latency.  

    So, MY vote is to wait a bit before jumping into Windows 8, until some more folks get a chance to report back on their experiences.

    If I cannot determine the cause of the 10-fold increase in system latency by tonight, I will likely tomorrow be reverting back, via a clean install, to Windows 7 x64.

    I will post back tomorrow my solution or my re-install.

    Bob Bone

    DPC latency checker doesn't work with Windows 8. It will run but gives the wrong results.  You need have no fear using Windows 8. See this thread. Post 13 has the answer. Here is the developer page that says the same thing.


    "So I take it all back - I will be leaving Windows 8 Pro x64 on my system and please just ignore my earlier post on this - sorry about all the fuss."

    Its too late Bob, I already posted a correction.  LOL
    post edited by John - 2012/11/26 23:12:13

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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/27 02:34:25 (permalink)
    Try using LatencyMon instead, which I can confirm now works around the kernel timer change in Win8 (and provides more info than Thesycon's DPC latency checker anyway):

    http://resplendence.com/latencymon_whatsnew
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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/27 02:43:35 (permalink)
    Interesting information.

    Well, the bottom line is..... WIN8 can surprise you with incompatibilities. WIN7 is the OS to beat on stability. Alot of development time went into Win7. If you have customers waiting go WIN7. If you buy new and are a consumer... buy WIN8.

    I have been battling WIN8 because I upgraded from WIN7 and it did not say AVIRA antivirus should be uninstalled. So it was on my system. I have had 3 weeks of daily blue screens. Then I was forced to examine the dmp files windows had created. Through that information I found out Win8 is not compatible. Fortunily Win8 has a build in antivirus. So that's what I am using now.

    Windows 8 you have to create a second USER. And leave the ADMINISTRATOR there for install purposes. The METRO invironment is only working properly on a USER account. Wich is a good thing. But it took me some time to get used to...



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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/27 03:58:45 (permalink)
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    Interesting information.

    Well, the bottom line is..... WIN8 can surprise you with incompatibilities. WIN7 is the OS to beat on stability. Alot of development time went into Win7. If you have customers waiting go WIN7. If you buy new and are a consumer... buy WIN8.

    I have been battling WIN8 because I upgraded from WIN7 and it did not say AVIRA antivirus should be uninstalled. So it was on my system. I have had 3 weeks of daily blue screens. Then I was forced to examine the dmp files windows had created. Through that information I found out Win8 is not compatible. Fortunily Win8 has a build in antivirus. So that's what I am using now.

    Windows 8 you have to create a second USER. And leave the ADMINISTRATOR there for install purposes. The METRO invironment is only working properly on a USER account. Wich is a good thing. But it took me some time to get used to...
    I've been using MS Security Essentials from the beginning of using Vista some time ago and haven't had a problem with it. It does do the job without interfering with a DAW setup. In Windows 8 I use the same thing. 

    I'm not sure why you need to setup a new user account to use metro apps. Or as they seem to now want to call it the, modern UI. If you think of that as the start button without needing to click a button to access it, I think you may have a better time. On the other hand I use Classic  Shell which is free and brings back the start button.  You can have it bypass the start screen or not as you wish. 

    One tip is all four corners have charms either in the desktop or the start screen. The windows key on your keyboard also has a lot of use with win 8.




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    Re:quadcore laptop with Komplete 8 and Sonar X2.. Windows 7 or 8 ?? 2012/11/27 09:00:47 (permalink)
    I only have one user set up on Win 8, and it works fine.

    I attached my most frequently accessed programs to the task bar and mostly just stay in the desktop mode - really no problem. Once I finish installing all my my applications (I did a clean install on purpose, rather than an upgrade from Win 7), anyways after installations are done I will go back and figure out how I am 'supposed' to work with the new UI.

    I have not had any stability issues with Win 8 as of yet, but do agree that Win 7 seems to be pretty bulletproof - certainly a good platform for Sonar.  Drivers for Win 8 should be researched PRIOR to upgrading to it, in my opinion.

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