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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 10:21:03
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 10:21:24
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Some of the links listed under "Show More" are good also. I thought the Part-1 under "Everything Is A Remix" was enlighteneing regarding one of my past favorite groups, Led Zeppelin. And here's another viewpoint (maybe less intellectual) but more funny by the late great George Carlin (note: George doesn't mind the f-word): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdthHuAyhx8
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 11:50:34
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Interesting... He is the master of the obvious!  I may watch some more vids later. I guess Captian Beefheart didn't get the memo.... John Coltrain sort of pushed against the boundary with Ascension too. The Love Me Tender bit was an eye opener... a total ripoff. I was, as most, well aware of God Save the King/Queen and My Country etc... Some early Church hymns took their meody from bar room drinking songs... or so I've heard. Like King Solomon said... "There is nothing new under the sun". J
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 12:11:15
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 12:29:13
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jbow
Interesting... He is the master of the obvious! I may watch some more vids later.
I guess Captian Beefheart didn't get the memo.... John Coltrain sort of pushed against the boundary with Ascension too.
The Love Me Tender bit was an eye opener... a total ripoff. I was, as most, well aware of God Save the King/Queen and My Country etc...
Some early Church hymns took their meody from bar room drinking songs... or so I've heard.
Like King Solomon said... "There is nothing new under the sun".
J
"Love Me Tender" is not exactly a ripoff - "Aura Lee" is public domain - Elvis and his writers they used the melody on purpose.
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 12:30:45
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On a tangent of what he said. Last night I just read a chapter in The Power of Habit about the song "Hey Ya". Its seems the song was rejected by the public in it's early release (apparently they now know how many people are listening to a particular radios station and when they change the station) because it was "too different". Something like > 70% of the time. So, for a few weeks they sandwiched the song in between "familiar" songs and within two weeks the change rate went down to 27% and a few weeks after that it went down to < 6%. The song went on to sell ~6 mil copies and won a Grammy (or more, IIRC). So, I've determined that to get Frank Tanton to like The Forum Monkeys, we have to sandwich our comedy songs in between a Stevie Ray Vaughn and Eric Clapton. Jamesg1213 on the other hand..... 
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 12:32:17
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"Love Me Tender" is not exactly a ripoff - "Aura Lee" is public domain - Elvis and his writers they used the melody on purpose.
Same with 'It's Now or Never' which is the melody from 'O Sole Mio'. (Or 'Just One Cornetto')
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 15:27:02
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 15:37:40
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jamesg1213
"Love Me Tender" is not exactly a ripoff - "Aura Lee" is public domain - Elvis and his writers they used the melody on purpose.
Same with 'It's Now or Never' which is the melody from 'O Sole Mio'. (Or 'Just One Cornetto')
THANK YOU! I was trying to remember the other one and it just would not come to me!
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 15:38:59
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 16:53:44
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"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 18:20:15
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We're already running out, but it's not a condition where the tap is suddenly turned off. It's a gradual demise and can be evidenced by all the remixes, sampling and covers...
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 18:44:07
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I've been trying to think of some song titles I can make a joke out of....
....but I still haven't found what I'm looking for.
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 18:46:37
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SteveStrummerUK
I've been trying to think of some song titles I can make a joke out of....
....but I still haven't found what I'm looking for.
U2, huh? Actually U2 do their bit to preserve music for the future. They just use the same tiny bit and repeat it over and over. No wastage at all.
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 19:02:55
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Yes, it only takes just 8 Notes for a US district court to consider in regards to plagiarism. For example; the case in regards to George Harrison - My Sweet Lord. Did this case set a condition for which all future cases are determined and should the law catch up to expand the limitations to 16 notes due to immense quantity and nature of the beast? My answer; I really don't know and I guess if you go by Sylvester Stallone's famous line in the movie Judge Dredd he would say... " the law is the law" RE: yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, but  I guess most cases determine by decree; 'unintentional use' which then falls under the lesser outcome usually resulting in a 50/50 split (more or less) of all revenue/income past, present and future. So yes; unintentional use is not going to save you. That said; there are already a lot of songs that all sound similar and use the same chord progressions along with a very similar melody. For example; during a TV commercial break I heard two jingles from two totally different products (adverts) aired consecutively use the exact same chords and very similar melody. In fact I hear this sort of thing almost every day. I know for a fact in my own dealings with a publisher; they will toss 'ideas' around among their writers in regards 'direction', 'style' and 'sounds' they want to model on what in their opinion is the 'now' happening thang. Often at meetings they'll talk about; yeah Miss Doris your song has great potential but that beat and other elements of the song needs more work = take these demo CD's home and study them carefully, listen to how Mr.Jon Doe constructs and try to adapt those ideas to your songs. Fact is 'in regards to intellectual rights'; you cannot copyright ideas but of course there is a limit to how much (in length) a writer can use in regards to 'The Melody' which effectively sets the course in regards to all cases for example; they simply detach those 8 notes (melody) to sound on it's own 'apart from the accompaniment and harmonies' to then determine the final verdict; thereby literally the final score! I believe almost all writers respect other writer(s) work (aww heck I hope I'm right about that). I also believe in the case with George Harrison and many others; in their case it was unintentional use. Seriously, there are so many writers in this crazy world it would not surprise me that some writers from totally different countries and cultures are actually working on the very same melody at this very moment in time.
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 19:18:00
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Jonbouy: They just use the same tiny bit and repeat it over and over.
Example; 2 note melody and lyrics that goes like this;
||: Oh baby :||
Repeat 500 times and no prizes for guessing the title of the song!
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 19:31:17
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RE: yeah, yeah, yeah
Didn't the Beatles do that already?
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 19:36:42
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RE: Oh Bouy, Oh Bouy, Oh Bouy
Didn't the Beatles do that already?
I don't think so
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Re:Will we ever run out of music
2012/12/01 20:08:53
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In-between songs during a U2 concert in Ireland, Bono steps up to the microphone and starts slowly clapping his hands. "Every time I clap my hands, a child dies in Africa." he proclaims. "Well then stop feckin' doing it!!!" yells a guy in the crowd.
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