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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/01 09:55:09
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/01 11:30:13
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Hi,
This is probably good, and the part that the other guy that did his thing on the Perfect Pitch thing, is missing.
Music, for me, is a visual thing, and at times the mechanical side of it that always brings up your musicianship level and ability to play with others, is simply not there. Something like this helps correct some of those small things that make you ... tell music teaches to shove off to Shostakovitch land and forget the whole thing.
I am not sure that most musicians will appreciate this, specially traditional and experienced, when they have a tendency to hide behind their mechanics and not help youngsters to learn music ... teching your fingers to do this is one thing ... but teaching someone to identify/illustrate the sounds is another ... and in my case, mine is similar to Mozart's dictation to Salieri in the movie ... I'm simply trying to identify and illustrate the images ... I don't care about "music", specially when it is controlled by people that do not necessarily have a "visual" ... and they need the rock'n'roll lyrics to take them there ... supposedly! So you climb an imaginary Stairway to Heaven ... and you think that the music is about that by association ... just like we did all that other music for 500 years!
There is more to music ... and teaching someone to learn about the sound itself, instead of notes, is probably a good thing ... the note association will eventually come together ... but to many folks like to tell you that you can't play this note after this one ... or after Am, as is the case here ... and most of them consider themselves "superior" because they know the circle of 5ths, or 4ths, or 3rds, or whatever.
My own learning in music has been hard ... because I go from sound to sound, and I might not have any idea what the notes are, and I can get back to that sound ... except on a synth ... still working on that ... and some of the instructors I have had, could not even fathom that relationship!
If loving, or sex -- since that is a language folks can relate to -- is that mechanical, where is the value and the love behind it? It's all I'm saying ... there has to be more, and you know it ... how to get to it, or "there" is another story ... but teaching folks to play some diminished 47th on the bass or guitar is for the nerds, not musicians!
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/01 11:37:36
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Beagle
are you related to Alan?
I'm still waiting for you to do better than Mademoiselle Knobs, Shamus, Pluto the Dog or .... If you don't know the bands ... let me know, btw!
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/01 20:11:35
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Beagle
are you related to Alan?
are you related to Alan? Sadly, no - wouldn't that be cool!
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/01 20:15:45
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tagruvto
Beagle
are you related to Alan?
are you related to Alan?
Sadly, no - wouldn't that be cool!
Doesn't mean you can't have your own Project though! 
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 02:39:57
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I had the infamous "how to develop perfect pitch" cassette tape course in the late 80's. It was actually really good and made me notice how there was a color quality to notes that should in theory make it as easy to identify tones as it is to identify different hues. The trouble was that I never got around to doing the weeks of exercises it was going to take to fully learn the note-colors by name. But I did end up with a greater appreciation of music after discovering this new dimension to it.
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 04:58:16
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sharke
I had the infamous "how to develop perfect pitch" cassette tape course in the late 80's. It was actually really good and made me notice how there was a color quality to notes that should in theory make it as easy to identify tones as it is to identify different hues. The trouble was that I never got around to doing the weeks of exercises it was going to take to fully learn the note-colors by name. But I did end up with a greater appreciation of music after discovering this new dimension to it.
The David Lucas Burge ones? I've got those (Perfect Pitch and Relative Pitch). It talks about sensing colors with tones. That's about where I stopped (never did get to "see" a color - would have liked to though).
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 06:17:31
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There's an affliction called "synesthesia" that can manifest itself in various ways.
Basically it's 2 senses that affects eachother, various numbers will have specific colors, touch make you hear tones, words make you taste things, different numbers will have different dimensions etc..
In some cases sounds makes people with synesthesia see colors in response to sounds.
Would be cool to know if there's any with this form of synesthesia that plays music and how it affects them.
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 12:55:08
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sharke
I had the infamous "how to develop perfect pitch" cassette tape course in the late 80's. It was actually really good and made me notice how there was a color quality to notes that should in theory make it as easy to identify tones as it is to identify different hues. The trouble was that I never got around to doing the weeks of exercises it was going to take to fully learn the note-colors by name. But I did end up with a greater appreciation of music after discovering this new dimension to it.
The David Lucas Burge ones? I've got those (Perfect Pitch and Relative Pitch). It talks about sensing colors with tones. That's about where I stopped (never did get to "see" a color - would have liked to though).
Sounds right, I recognize the name. He had a bit of a whiny, dorkish voice which kind of grated after 7 tapes.
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 13:26:46
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Kenneth
There's an affliction called "synesthesia" that can manifest itself in various ways.
Basically it's 2 senses that affects eachother, various numbers will have specific colors, touch make you hear tones, words make you taste things, different numbers will have different dimensions etc..
In some cases sounds makes people with synesthesia see colors in response to sounds.
Would be cool to know if there's any with this form of synesthesia that plays music and how it affects them.
Definitely. We had a thread about a young and very talented pianist who was very synesthetic. I'll see if I can find her name again...
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 13:35:53
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Found her! Her name is Helene Grimaud. A young lady who is pretty incredible (she's one of those who only needs to hear a piece to play it and doesn't need to practice - *Sigh*). There's an article somewhere that talks about her synesthesia where she comments about the dominate colors she sees when playing certain composers. Pretty interesting! Check her out HERE.
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 14:09:14
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Found the old thread which had the article I was looking for. Here it is!
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 15:57:58
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Moshkiae
Beagle
are you related to Alan?
I'm still waiting for you to do better than Mademoiselle Knobs, Shamus, Pluto the Dog or ....
If you don't know the bands ... let me know, btw!
guess you'll be waiting a while...
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 15:59:07
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sharke
I had the infamous "how to develop perfect pitch" cassette tape course in the late 80's. It was actually really good and made me notice how there was a color quality to notes that should in theory make it as easy to identify tones as it is to identify different hues. The trouble was that I never got around to doing the weeks of exercises it was going to take to fully learn the note-colors by name. But I did end up with a greater appreciation of music after discovering this new dimension to it.
The David Lucas Burge ones? I've got those (Perfect Pitch and Relative Pitch). It talks about sensing colors with tones. That's about where I stopped (never did get to "see" a color - would have liked to though).
I did the same thing. I went thru the first part of it, but never finished. it sits on my shelf and I think about going thru it often, but just haven't take the time to do it.
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/02 16:00:33
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sharke
craigb
sharke
I had the infamous "how to develop perfect pitch" cassette tape course in the late 80's. It was actually really good and made me notice how there was a color quality to notes that should in theory make it as easy to identify tones as it is to identify different hues. The trouble was that I never got around to doing the weeks of exercises it was going to take to fully learn the note-colors by name. But I did end up with a greater appreciation of music after discovering this new dimension to it.
The David Lucas Burge ones? I've got those (Perfect Pitch and Relative Pitch). It talks about sensing colors with tones. That's about where I stopped (never did get to "see" a color - would have liked to though).
Sounds right, I recognize the name. He had a bit of a whiny, dorkish voice which kind of grated after 7 tapes.
yes, that's him! and he always wears a fedora. (not that there's anything wrong with that...)
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/03 14:30:50
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craigb
sharke
I had the infamous "how to develop perfect pitch" cassette tape course in the late 80's. It was actually really good and made me notice how there was a color quality to notes that should in theory make it as easy to identify tones as it is to identify different hues. The trouble was that I never got around to doing the weeks of exercises it was going to take to fully learn the note-colors by name. But I did end up with a greater appreciation of music after discovering this new dimension to it.
The David Lucas Burge ones? I've got those (Perfect Pitch and Relative Pitch). It talks about sensing colors with tones. That's about where I stopped (never did get to "see" a color - would have liked to though).
Some Sunshine 25 would really help you good I bet ... !!!
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Re:Review of ReelEar Ear Training Software
2012/12/03 15:02:17
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A young lady who is pretty incredible (she's one of those who only needs to hear a piece to play it and doesn't need to practice - *Sigh*). There's an article somewhere that talks about her synesthesia where she comments about the dominate colors she sees when playing certain composers. Pretty interesting! There is one thing that I teach all actors I work with that has been extremelly valuable ... concentration! And the physics axiom applies here without any Bapu'isms. Quality is inversely proportional to Quantity! I'm going to use the acting example as it is easier but you can substitute "lines" with "notes" easily. You enter a new ______ and you have to learn 100 lines and you have to deliver them tomorrow ... it will define if you will enter this course or not in Advanced _______. You spend all night studying and trying to learn it all ... and when the time comes, you can do most of it ... and it's ... sloppy, but pass'able ... and in Advanced Acting, you would not pass ... because there are too many kids trying out, and many got it down ... and "knowing your lines" is important, regardless of it being music or acting! Here is the dope on this ... 100% concentration ... it will take you an hour. At 50% concentration this will take you 4 to 5 to 6 hours. With the radio on in the background and talking to the wife, girlfriend or friends, and text'ing ... you will not have these lines up and ready when the time comes! In the end, this is all I did when I was tutoring folks at UCSB ... I taught them to study "better" so they could enjjoy the rest of their time there, and still get good results. This worked really well with actors -- why? ... you spent more time fooling around in rehearsal ... and learning to expand the value of the words and sentences ... and figuring out where it feels better on the stage ... and the folks that do this? ... they usually are the most professional and the better actors ... they may not be perfect, but they will be READY and THERE when you are ready to work! The color thing is good, but for someone that already sees color, David's process becomes an overload trying to change my colors ... and I enjoyed listening to a lot of it ... but it is ... difficult if you do not have the musical knowledge that he is expecting folks to have! I doubt that someone with less musical knowledge will be capable of doing this as easily as he makes it sound ... there is no "logic" in the root note when it comes to "color" ... the color sequence just moves along ... but he is not seeing that. I speak of this off my own inner movie ... and a lot of music for me is not just colors ... but a non-stop movie ... and that, you already know is TOO MANY DAMN COLORS! ... to simplify it to one color! So you want to be good, and not have to practice that much? ... you have to teach yourself to concentrate! ... it's not hard ... all you gotta change is a t-shirt now and then or a pair of pants, and take a shower here and there ... the rest is easy! One last detail ... part of this process requires that you also have some fun whilelearning ... and too much of the Perfect thing, is not capable of having fun with it ... so academic in the end, but then academic anything is so mathematically inclined, including music ... so I am not surprised!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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