MelodicJimmy
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What exactly IS "rewire"?
Two questions, actually: 1) What is rewire? 2) If I upgrade to Sibelius First 7 (which supports rewire), would I be able to use Sibelius as my notation program and completely bypass Sonar X1 or X2's notation? So, basically - if I'm composing an orchestral part, could I notate it in Sibelius and have it access Dimension Pro instruments within Sonar? I hope this makes sense. Thanks.
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/02 23:32:11
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/03 04:58:50
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Essentially rewire just allows one DAW to pass audio into another DAW. In most cases the slave DAW is used like a vst in the host DAW. For example using Sonar as your host and Reason as a plug in via rewire. The link provided gives an accurate description but I think it was just too complex for the question asked. I don't know anything about your notation software but my guess is that it will work as a host for something like Reason and will send midi data to Reason via rewire to trigger Reason's synths which is what I do not think you want. When using Sonar Sonar will always be the host in the case of this notation software you want I think it will always be the host as well. Look into if works as a rewire slave and a rewire host or if its just a host as I suspect. You want it to be capable of being a rewire slave.
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MelodicJimmy
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/03 09:18:08
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xabiton, thanks for your reply. I will check into that. twoifbysea, I could have looked that link up myself. In fact, I already did and needed clarification.... hence why I posted this thread. Thanks again, XABITON.
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/03 17:11:09
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I wrote an article on ReWire that's in Harmony Central's library; I think you'll find helpful...the screen shots are all based on X1, so it's even somewhat Sonar-centric.
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/03 20:59:46
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there has been certain posts regarding using Sibelius and sonar and it being problematic a few months back. they were just bought out also, so it might be a pain in that sense.. as 3 companies are involved if there are issues I'm not a fan of avid / m-audio "wonderful" support (their new owner), so I don't buy their products now as a result (I have 4 of their things, axiom / soundcards etc) . but also the fact they were new owners , you don't know what their plans are. I would wait for the dust to settle as it were .. I almost got "bitten" like that before, just as emagic sold to apple, I'd have had PC logic for a week and wouldn't have been "happy"
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MelodicJimmy
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/03 22:04:32
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Thanks for all of your help..... but I still don't understand how I can "link" Sibelius and, say, Dimension Pro or Session Drummer 3 or True Piano..... basically, what I want to do is completely bypass Sonar's terrible notation and use a REAL notation program, like Sibelius. I want to notate parts in Sibelius, but have Dimension Pro (or another soft synth) play it. How would I do this?
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 09:33:50
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ok dim pro + SD 3 + true piano are in sonar... but you treat the input from rewire as the trigger / to send the notes.. I've not used Sibelius , but assume it supports VST's ? you can use Dim Pro and SD3 in it, BUT not True pianos perhaps as it checks it's running in a only sonar there is a usergroup on yahoo and a facebook page for the users of it, I'd say speak to them.. rewire, you have master / slave , where 1 app is the main one and the 2nd syncs to it.. think of it as simon says but for audio / midi.. thats the very easy version I can say you might wanna speak to folk on "www.sibeliususers.org" or their facebook page but it's not something I'd buy, due to it not being 100% due to it's future
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MelodicJimmy
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 09:46:41
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Hey thanks, Fog, that makes more sense.... and, yeah, I'll try the Facebook page, etc
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MelodicJimmy
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 09:49:22
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Oh.... and, one more thing..... which order do I insert everything? All the tutorials say that you need to insert the Rewire device first (Sibelius in my case).... so, where do the soft synths fit into this? How do you choose whether you want to trigger SD3 or Dimension Pro, etc? Do you just insert the soft synth you want to use and change the input to Sibelius?
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 09:54:09
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MelodicJimmy
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 11:15:02
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Another link.... great. That's all people have been giving me. Still completely confused. I've read and read..... there's something I'm not understanding. I'm just going to give up for now and take a break from it.
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 11:34:20
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Rewrite doesn't send the midi notes, only audio (at least that I'm aware of). So you have to use the virtual instruments in Sibelius and send the audio to sonar.
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 11:39:31
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So when you have rewired Sibelius to Sonar, rewire audio outputs from Sibelius should be available to use in Sonars audio track inputs.
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 11:44:31
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This is why rewire is not a good replacement for decent notation tools inside of Sonar.
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 11:45:27
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I'm no Rewire wizard but my understanding is that Rewire can send MIDI from the host (a.k.a. Master) to the slave. I think the issue is that SONAR is not designed to be a slave; it supports Rewire only as a host. So Sibelius would not be able to have access to VSTis hosted in SONAR. Whatever you compose in Sebelius would have to be driving instruments hosted in Sibelius.
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MelodicJimmy
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 12:30:02
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Ok. That's what I figured. I'm going to get a refund on Sibelius 7, then. I have Sibelius 5 and the only reason I upgraded was for Rewire capability because I thought you could do this. I wish Cakewalk would change this. Their notation SUCKS. I actually read music and compose my parts with actual notation..... I don't want to use their crappy notation.... I want to use a real notation program. Everything else in Sonar is fantastic.... but, allow us to use REAL notation programs if you're not going to do it yourselves.
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MelodicJimmy
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 13:01:01
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Just called Sibelius.... they said it won't work. The guy said that I have to notate in Sibelius, then export the MIDI into Sonar and assign my instruments. So, let me alter my original question: what's the best way to do that?
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brundlefly
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 13:16:06
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I can understand the frustration. Personally, I can't read or write notation to save my life, so it doesn't much matter to me. Fortunately, it seems to be a lot easier to get a good visual result converting MIDI to notation and tweaking it than to get a good audio result the other way around.
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 13:26:31
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I presume Sibelius can export a Type 1 MIDI File. This will give you one track per staff in SONAR, and will bring tempos with it if you open the MIDI file directly, as opposed to importing it into an existing project. Then you'll need to insert soft synths with output tracks, set up patches/instruments and assign the MIDI tracks to them. I'm sure there are ways to streamline this process for "mass production", and maybe one of the orchestral composers around here will chime in at some point to help. In the mean time, I suggest you try Googling Sibelius, Notation, Template, Score, Import and related keywords against site:forum.cakewalk.com to find existing threads on the subject. Much will depend on what synths you intend to use.
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MelodicJimmy
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Re:What exactly IS "rewire"?
2012/12/04 13:47:28
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