Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories

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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/03 21:31:44 (permalink)
My, this topic has touched a nerve, so to speak. You guys have given me, if nothing else, hope that there are several potential treatments beyond opiates and surgery. I have an appointment with a physical therapist on Thursday that I was going to cancel, for fear it would be too painful. Now I've decided to give that a shot. 

Chiropractic treatment is certainly worth a shot, too - "walking out pain-free after 30 minutes" sure sounds attractive; it takes longer than that for the Percocet to kick in.

I've also put turmeric on my shopping list. Maybe I can just go to the all-you-can-eat Indian buffet every day for a few weeks...mmm, now that's a therapy I could cope with!

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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/03 22:03:04 (permalink)
Don't trust a chiro. There are good ones out there bad there are far more bad ones. Work with the soft tissue before you start screwing around with the structure. You'll be surprised what a good physiotherapist can do for you. Bonus... if you get referred by a specialist any good insurance should cover it... or some of it.

Also put some pineapple on your grocery list. It has an enzyme called bromelain (sp) that is supposedly a natural anti inflammatory. You call also pick up an extrat version at most health food stores and pharmacies.

Good luck, dude. I live with this hell every day. It ain't fun. Cheers.
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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/03 22:15:51 (permalink)
I always knew that getting old would suck. I just didn't expect to be so young when it started.

 
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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/03 23:03:33 (permalink)
Beepster

Also put some pineapple on your grocery list. It has an enzyme called bromelain (sp) that is supposedly a natural anti inflammatory. You call also pick up an extrat version at most health food stores and pharmacies.

A lot of turmeric supplements are paired with bromelain these days because they have found that they strongly compliment each other. Bromelain is also good for dissolving scar tissue on tendons, good if you suffer from anything like tennis elbow. It's also very good at breaking down protein, good to eat after a meal anyway. 


I'm not really sure about the effectiveness of turmeric in extract form versus spice form, although I suspect the extract that you get in pill form is a lot more concentrated. It can be pricey though. Jarrow Formulas do a good one. 


Another thing that might work is a magnesium drink called Natural Calm, it has fantastic anti-stress and relaxation properties and might just take the edge off, especially at night. 

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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/03 23:21:42 (permalink)
I'm sorry I don't have any good suggestions, Bit, but I wish you luck with your back problem.  

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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 09:12:51 (permalink)
Keep us posted. I hope all goes well. I'm not sure if you are having nerve pain (right on the spine or shooting pains) or if you're having muscle pain. If you're having muscle pain, regular massage therapy can really help. My wife gets muscle spasms from stress and desk work. If she gets a massage bi-weekly she is MUCH better. She does the hour and a half massage when she does it.
I have had good results from chiropractic if my shoulders get messed up. IT seems to help with muscle pain but for nerve pain... nothing but meds have helped me.
Also my wife has literally no disk left between her bottom two vertibrae. The doctor looked at her MRI and told her she shouldn't be able to get out of bed, but somehow it isn't pressing on a nerve except for now and then when it does. A few months ago she did something and it started to hurt with sciatica shooting down her leg. She was really a mess. She made an appointment with a new doctor at the same center I use. He just came over from Emory and is very good. He put her under the flouroscope and gave her an epidural. He hit exactly the right sopt and the novacaine gave her immediate complete relief, then the steroid took over and she was completely over it in a couple of days... I wish it was that easy for me. Epidurals really help some people with nerve pain. They also have something called a "radio frequency treatment". They identify the nerve that is giving the pain and use radio frequencies to burn the nerve away. It will grow back but sometimes it grows back slightly different and is no longer a problem.
So massage, chiropractic, epidurals, or RFT could be an answer but according to what sort of pain you are having. Also, nerve pain can cause muscle pain because you may "favor" one side or the other because of the pain in the spine. Does it hurt right on the spine in a spot or is it just the muscles that hurt? You could just be having muscle spasms but I doubt it. You need the MRI but you can also get someone to slowly move down your spine, right on the vertibrae and press. See if they hit a spot or spots where it hurts. If it does, you have a disk problem and nerve pain. If it is just swollen muscles that hurt in your shoulder and neck or in your lower back it could just be muscle spasms but like I said, a spine problem can cause muscle spasms.. so see if the spine bones or disks are tender anywhere... if not, I would go full bore for PT and massage and muscle relaxers.
Bottom line, it is your body and you need to educate yourself and have a say in your treatment.

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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 18:19:56 (permalink)
Bit, also coming to this thread very late.  Because of my RL situation, to even be able to read a computer screen, my nose has to be only a couple inches away (even when using various screen magnification tricks).  My posture has been very bad, as a result, and that has caused a fair amount of lower back trouble.

One thing that I found to help in my sitaution is to wear a lower back brace - just the inexpensive Ace bandage kind.  It helps keep the spine more stable, and has improved things quite a bit - "ideal" will never happen, but "more livable" is a definite plus.

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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 19:00:21 (permalink)
Inversion table Bit. 15 minutes a day at 45 degrees.

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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 19:20:21 (permalink)
I was just listening to an old SonicState podcast, and the main topic was chronic back pain. Of the four participants, every one of them said they'd had terrible back pain. I wonder if it might not be endemic to people who sit in front of computers all day.

My pain starts in the lower back and radiates downward, all the way to my shins. Sometimes it's quite extreme, 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. Fortunately, those episodes are brief. Most of the time it's a sharp pain in the back and a dull throb in the legs. So based on everyone's descriptions, it's classic sciatica caused by a bundle of nerves being pinched by the spine.

I like the sound of massage. I wonder if my insurance will pay for the "full body" massage they offer up the street; the place with the dark curtains, the neon sign and parking in the back. I believe they also sell educational videos and adult novelties, so they must be a reputable, full-service establishment.

Thanks again to everyone who offered information, advice and sympathy!


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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 19:28:40 (permalink)
Inversion Table Bit. 15 minutes a day at 45 degrees.

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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 20:23:42 (permalink)
Sciatica implies a specific disc/nerve in the spine but other discs can cause similar leg problems. That's why they take the MRI to see which discs are bulging/herniated. Just take it slow and easy until you get that sorted out even if you are feeling better. They can slip back in place relieving the pain but will easily slip back out again. The surgery to correct this actually takes the surgical equivalent of toenail clippers to the problematic disc so it doesn't protrude so much and hit the corresponding bundle of nerves. If your leg(s) go numb... call an ambulance. That's nerve damage and can take years to recover from... if at all.
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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 20:26:59 (permalink)
Could also be piriformis related - people often get it mixed up with sciatica. 

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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 20:36:46 (permalink)
Let's face it... backs are arseholes. It all went to heck as soon as we started walking upright.

That's why monkeys are far superior in the grand scheme of things.
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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 20:41:41 (permalink)
I gotta look into the inversion table. You got one, Craig?

Still trying to schedule an MRI. They won't schedule me until I can identify the make, model and location of each of the three stents I have in my heart. I have a team of crack medical records staff working on it. They said 4-5 days. So I might have a plan in another week or so. OTOH, I might just get lucky and wake up tomorrow feeling all better.


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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 20:49:41 (permalink)
Three stents? You've really lived haven't you?

And inversion tables are good for maintenance but get the injury sorted out first.

I mentioned TENS therapy earlier in the thread. That's those little electrodes the stick to your back and it send wacky feeling jolts into the muscles. It confuses the neuro pathways (or whatever) into not sending the intense pain signals to your brain all the time. It's been in use for a very long time and works quite well. They have also finally accepted acupuncture as an approved nerve treatment but I found it's not quite as effective... and the first time I had it done it made me have to poop.

Awkward!!

but I didn't poop... at least not on the table. lol
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Re:Back pain: I'm desperate to hear some success stories 2012/12/04 20:55:15 (permalink)
bitflipper


I gotta look into the inversion table. You got one, Craig?

Still trying to schedule an MRI. They won't schedule me until I can identify the make, model and location of each of the three stents I have in my heart. I have a team of crack medical records staff working on it. They said 4-5 days. So I might have a plan in another week or so. OTOH, I might just get lucky and wake up tomorrow feeling all better.


I do have one Bit. I use it. I've come home limping and 15 minutes later walked away not limping. I came home so kinked one day I could barely kick the clutch on the way home. I got on the inversion table, eased it back to 45 degrees, about five minutes into it, my lower back made a sound I could not re-create. Snap , crackle and pop. Several things happen on the inversion table. Your spine and the muscles there elongate, the blood flows into your spine and brain, your discs inflate when the joints elongate, the muscles totally re-adjust what tension they are in. That last part is the kicker and the reason for 15 minutes. Any longer than that and you may begin to have strange dreams from the blood flowing to your brain.

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