ChuckC
Max Output Level: -61 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1488
- Joined: 2010/02/13 01:22:55
- Location: Port Charlotte, Fl
- Status: offline
UNmuting previous takes?
OK, So I have gone into preferences and made sure the box for "mute previous takes" is not checked and yet it mutes them anyway. This is driving me nuts. Any Ideas?
ADK Built DAW, W7, Sonar Platinum, Studio One Pro,Yamaha HS8's & HS8S Presonus Studio/Live 24.4.2, A few decent mic pre's, lots of mics, 57's,58 betas, Sm7b, LD Condensors, Small condensors, Senn 421's, DI's, Sans Amp, A few guitar amps etc. Guitars : Gib. LP, Epi. Lp, Dillion Tele, Ibanez beater, Ibanez Ergodyne 4 String bass, Mapex Mars series 6 pc. studio kit, cymbals and other sh*t. http://www.everythingiam.net/ http://www.stormroomstudios.com Some of my productions: http://soundcloud.com/stormroomstudios
|
BretB
Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
- Total Posts : 508
- Joined: 2010/01/17 18:24:00
- Location: Oklahoma
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 12:43:06
(permalink)
I have just the opposite problem sometimes! Odd situation.
Sonar Platinum - A&H ZED R16 - KRK VXT4's - Yamaha DTXpress IV & Gretsch Catalina Maple kits "Music is what feelings sound like" https://soundcloud.com/bret575b
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 13:42:54
(permalink)
I always have to refresh my memory on this, but one of the keys to getting the result you want is understanding the difference between a "take" (i.e. what you record in between starting and stopping the transport), and a loop-recording "pass" with the transport running continuously. When loop recording, it's really all just one "take" with each "pass" displayed in a separate lane, so you will get different results, depending on the scenario. Also, there are differences in the way MIDI and audio recording work in these two scenarios. So to figure out exactly what behavior to expect, you'll need to start by describing what you're recording, and how you're monitoring it.
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 14:25:08
(permalink)
Did a quickie test, and here's what I got. With "Mute previous takes" enabled: MIDI - Both existing takes and loop-recording passes are muted in the punch region. Audio - Both existing takes and loop-recording passes are muted in the punch region. With "Mute previous takes" disabled: MIDI - Both existing takes and loop-recording passes are audible in the punch region. Audio- Existing takes but not loop-recording passes are audible in the punch region. So what I'm seeing is that everything is pretty much as I would expect, intuitively, except for audio loop-recording "passes" not being audible when Mute previous takes is disabled. So if ChuckC is loop-recording audio and not hearing previous "passes", I can reproduce that behavior, but it may be working as intended. Hope I got that all right, both in the testing and the writing.
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
ChuckC
Max Output Level: -61 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1488
- Joined: 2010/02/13 01:22:55
- Location: Port Charlotte, Fl
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 14:53:52
(permalink)
Thank you for your input here. Though, There has got to be something else that can effect it. I am not looping or recording with a loop going. I am for instance: trying to punch in a guitar part but I want to hear the previous take (I can slip edit it out before wherever the mistake was) so I can make sure I match the dynamics etc. but I can't hear the previous takes. On Midi: the only thing I use midi is when recording my drum tracks. I play them on a roland V kit, monitoring the V kit sounds via a PA system. Though I want to be able to hear the existing tracks (previous take) playing back in my cans. This isn't happening either I I have the "mute previous takes" unchecked. So you see my aggravation here? I am a little stumped as to why?
ADK Built DAW, W7, Sonar Platinum, Studio One Pro,Yamaha HS8's & HS8S Presonus Studio/Live 24.4.2, A few decent mic pre's, lots of mics, 57's,58 betas, Sm7b, LD Condensors, Small condensors, Senn 421's, DI's, Sans Amp, A few guitar amps etc. Guitars : Gib. LP, Epi. Lp, Dillion Tele, Ibanez beater, Ibanez Ergodyne 4 String bass, Mapex Mars series 6 pc. studio kit, cymbals and other sh*t. http://www.everythingiam.net/ http://www.stormroomstudios.com Some of my productions: http://soundcloud.com/stormroomstudios
|
FastBikerBoy
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 11326
- Joined: 2008/01/25 16:15:36
- Location: Watton, Norfolk, UK
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 15:03:42
(permalink)
Sounds like you may have muted the clip. Try selecting it and press K.
|
ChuckC
Max Output Level: -61 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1488
- Joined: 2010/02/13 01:22:55
- Location: Port Charlotte, Fl
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 16:10:53
(permalink)
Alright... Here is what I have been able to figure out and you guys should be able to reproduce it too. If I arm a new track & record (take 1), then add a new lane & arm that lane (so the new take goes there rather than in lane 1) I then cannot hear take 1 while recording take 2. Additionally, the wave form (while recording) shows in red in the track and does not appear in take lane 2 until I stop recording it. If I arm a new track & Record (take 1) then simply hit record again (to record take 2), I can now hear take 1 while recording. the waveform shows in red in the track and when I stop recording it then moves take 2 on top of take 1 in take lane #1. I can then create a new take land and drag it there. At the moment it appears that's how it has to be done. By the way I also noticed... If you attempt the above while trying to use Auto punch all of the above behavior changes.? And when I tried it while loop recording it would not record anything at all that way. I could care less as I have never used loop recording but, it bares mentioning.
ADK Built DAW, W7, Sonar Platinum, Studio One Pro,Yamaha HS8's & HS8S Presonus Studio/Live 24.4.2, A few decent mic pre's, lots of mics, 57's,58 betas, Sm7b, LD Condensors, Small condensors, Senn 421's, DI's, Sans Amp, A few guitar amps etc. Guitars : Gib. LP, Epi. Lp, Dillion Tele, Ibanez beater, Ibanez Ergodyne 4 String bass, Mapex Mars series 6 pc. studio kit, cymbals and other sh*t. http://www.everythingiam.net/ http://www.stormroomstudios.com Some of my productions: http://soundcloud.com/stormroomstudios
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 17:48:13
(permalink)
If you check "Create New Lanes on Overlap" in the Record preferences, the new take will go in to a new lane automatically.
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 18:10:54
(permalink)
I can confirm that arming a specific take lane for recording causes existing takes to be muted unless Punch is enabled. Hard to say whether this is intended or not. I've never tried arming specific lanes because using Sound on Sound mode with New Lanes on Overlap enabled takes care of everything for you. "Armable" lanes has definitely added a level of complexity to something that was already a little unpredictable.
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
Crg
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7719
- Joined: 2007/11/15 07:59:17
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 18:11:48
(permalink)
Solo everything you want to hear.
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 18:23:55
(permalink)
Depending on what you're trying to do, that may not get it, either, because you can only solo one lane at a time.
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
Crg
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7719
- Joined: 2007/11/15 07:59:17
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 18:35:01
(permalink)
I take it back. You're talking about the new Lanes in X2 then? Wouldn't soloing the the first clip ( and other parts) and using the create new lanes on overlap do the same thing, as in solo everything you want to hear? Never heard of a new take-Layer-Lane muting the original.
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 18:41:17
(permalink)
So long as you only need/want to hear one pre-existing take, yes... except that soloing Take 1 does not make it audible in the scenario described.  I just checked. EDIT: I think it's time for everyone present to go file a Problem Report on his favorite facet(s) of this issue, and let the Bakers sort it out, either in code or in documentation.
SONAR Platinum x64, 2x MOTU 2408/PCIe-424 (24-bit, 48kHz) Win10, I7-6700K @ 4.0GHz, 24GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, 32GB SSD Cache, GeForce GTX 750Ti, 2x 24" 16:10 IPS Monitors
|
Crg
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7719
- Joined: 2007/11/15 07:59:17
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 18:43:38
(permalink)
brundlefly So long as you only need/want to hear one pre-existing take, yes... except that soloing Take 1 does not make it audible in the scenario described. I just checked. That is messed up.
|
Crg
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7719
- Joined: 2007/11/15 07:59:17
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 18:44:56
(permalink)
BretB I have just the opposite problem sometimes! Odd situation. What are BretB's settings?
|
Psychobillybob
Max Output Level: -73 dBFS
- Total Posts : 882
- Joined: 2003/11/13 20:52:44
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/04 20:59:49
(permalink)
I have not found a work-around here...other than copying the clips into a completely new track...seems a bit of work for something that could possibly be one click away from being done...
I'm using SOnar Platinium on a 6 core Lynx Audio machine and a ton of vintage pre-amps/eq's/comps I build for fun and sometimes money, REDD.47/API/Neve I also use the UAD stuff, and also use a Macbook Logic 9 through Apogee...
|
ChuckC
Max Output Level: -61 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1488
- Joined: 2010/02/13 01:22:55
- Location: Port Charlotte, Fl
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/05 07:51:54
(permalink)
The work around is arm the track, but do not specifically arm the take lane in the track. It is not a big deal, but a minor annoyance in an otherwise intuitive platform, you wouldn't expect it to work quite that way ya know?
ADK Built DAW, W7, Sonar Platinum, Studio One Pro,Yamaha HS8's & HS8S Presonus Studio/Live 24.4.2, A few decent mic pre's, lots of mics, 57's,58 betas, Sm7b, LD Condensors, Small condensors, Senn 421's, DI's, Sans Amp, A few guitar amps etc. Guitars : Gib. LP, Epi. Lp, Dillion Tele, Ibanez beater, Ibanez Ergodyne 4 String bass, Mapex Mars series 6 pc. studio kit, cymbals and other sh*t. http://www.everythingiam.net/ http://www.stormroomstudios.com Some of my productions: http://soundcloud.com/stormroomstudios
|
BretB
Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
- Total Posts : 508
- Joined: 2010/01/17 18:24:00
- Location: Oklahoma
- Status: offline
Re:UNmuting previous takes?
2012/12/05 09:21:35
(permalink)
Crg BretB I have just the opposite problem sometimes! Odd situation. What are BretB's settings? Prefs: sound on sound selected, mute previous takes, save in same track, create take lanes on overlap. The process is: setup loop and punch record times, loop is just outside the loop times. When it loops around, I am hearing all previous takes. It seems that going to preferences and re-selecting the record options will sometimes solve this. Not changing settings but rather un-select and select then save changes.
Sonar Platinum - A&H ZED R16 - KRK VXT4's - Yamaha DTXpress IV & Gretsch Catalina Maple kits "Music is what feelings sound like" https://soundcloud.com/bret575b
|