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Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
I've never seen this behavior before. I have a project that prompts me to save it after playing the song even if no changes are made. IOW, the asterisk next to the song title appears when the song is over. I'm using X2, and the only plugs I'm using are Breverb, TH2, and Superior Drummer. I have other projects with these same plugs, and this behavior doesn't occur. There is automation on the Breverb, which is used on a bus, but I don't think it has anything to do with this problem. If I stop the song before it gets to the end, this doesn't occur. I've looked through the event list for anything, but there's nothing there to indicate any changes. Has anyone seen this before, and if so, any idea on how to cure this?
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 13:47:47
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Try to do a save as not a save just to be safe and be able to go back if you run into trouble.
In the case you describe it could be due to a change in some VST.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 14:15:09
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I've seen this before Lynn, in several previous versions.
I don't think it's anything to worry about, just take John's advice and do a Save As
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 14:43:06
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Thanks for your quick response. I just tried you idea of doing a "save as" before playing the song, but the asterisk still appeared on completion. I, too, thought of a problem with a VST, but I'm only using the 3 plugs that I stated in my first post. I've used these 3 plugs on the last 2 projects I recorded with no problems. BTW, I did a "save as" when the song completed, too. Jonesey, I agree that this is nothing to worry about, but it is curious.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 14:45:46
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Just thinking out loud here - have you got any Audiosnap clips? They might be re-generating transients every time you open the project, even though you've done no work on it
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 15:03:38
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Jonesey, there's no audio snap at all, in fact, I've never used it.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 16:22:00
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I wonder if automation moves are triggering Sonar to think something has changed? This happens in X1d as well whenever I playback or even export a song. i'be pretty much just leanned to ignore it.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 17:01:35
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I see this all the time and it's really annoying when you're using the playlist in a "live" situation. All the songs you play that do this stay loaded until you answer the question "Save?" If a lot of these songs pile up, the computer starts to bog down. I do tend to think that "automation" may be causing it as the one's that do this have automation in them.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 17:47:15
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I think you're right about the automation. The frustration is that it doesn't happen in all projects that use automation. I'll treat it as just a minor annoyance and not lose sleep over it.  dcumpian
I wonder if automation moves are triggering Sonar to think something has changed? This happens in X1d as well whenever I playback or even export a song. i'be pretty much just leanned to ignore it.
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I see this all the time and it's really annoying when you're using the playlist in a "live" situation. All the songs you play that do this stay loaded until you answer the question "Save?" If a lot of these songs pile up, the computer starts to bog down. I do tend to think that "automation" may be causing it as the one's that do this have automation in them.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 18:26:47
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Lynn
I think you're right about the automation. The frustration is that it doesn't happen in all projects that use automation. I'll treat it as just a minor annoyance and not lose sleep over it. dcumpian
I wonder if automation moves are triggering Sonar to think something has changed? This happens in X1d as well whenever I playback or even export a song. i'be pretty much just leanned to ignore it.
Regards,
Dan
Cody
I see this all the time and it's really annoying when you're using the playlist in a "live" situation. All the songs you play that do this stay loaded until you answer the question "Save?" If a lot of these songs pile up, the computer starts to bog down. I do tend to think that "automation" may be causing it as the one's that do this have automation in them.
Lynn, et al, If the automation is on a synth, have you tried freezing the tracks? Brian
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/11 19:45:26
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Hi Brian, no this is the wet/dry mix of Breverb that is automated. It's on a vocal bus, and I turn the reverb off on a couple of lines in the chorus of my song and bring it back in through the end of the song. If I stop the song anywhere short of the ending, it doesn't prompt me to save; only if I let it play all the way through does it ask me to save. Mr. Garrigus, do you have any ideas?
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/12 09:47:47
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Lynn, et al,
If the automation is on a synth, have you tried freezing the tracks?
Brian
As soon as Cakewalk lets me freeze a bus, I'll be glad to  Regards, Dan
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/12 10:01:39
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Lynn
Hi Brian, no this is the wet/dry mix of Breverb that is automated. It's on a vocal bus, and I turn the reverb off on a couple of lines in the chorus of my song and bring it back in through the end of the song. If I stop the song anywhere short of the ending, it doesn't prompt me to save; only if I let it play all the way through does it ask me to save. Mr. Garrigus, do you have any ideas?
Seems to me this might be logical & intended. If, as the song plays, the now time moves through an automated parameter change, a control somewhere will move sympathetically and Sonar will flag up "Project Change", even though when you stop, the control will move back to it's starting position. If Cakewalk can confirm this, I suggest we put in a feature request to have it modified so that only manual changes are flagged up, not changes through automation.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/12 10:05:12
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As an aside, this 'save request' also happens after an export. I think in this case it's because I've selected all the tracks before exporting - that's the only 'change' I can think of.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/12 10:18:32
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This has been happening since at least v8.5.3
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/12 10:19:28
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Lynn, I've seen this before. It's a 3rd party plug you're using bringing it on and should have nothing to do with Sonar itself.
As you may or may not know, I beta test for a few plug companies. In my beta work, sometimes the beta plugs cause this * to show up and you don't even need to do anything new to the project. I can save it and re-open, and upon re-opening, there's that * again. If you try to open the project in Sonar's safe mode while doing a process of elimination on the plugs, you'll eventually find the one that is causing this. I've had this issue so many times, I can't even begin to tell you...and it IS frustrating. But it's NEVER in my experience, been Sonar's fault.
As soon as I got the final version of the plugs I was testing, the * went away. So try it and see which one may be causing you the problem. That's the only time I've encountered this problem religiously. Hope this helps...best of luck my friend. :)
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/12 10:21:35
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You are quite correct on the project change detecting by Sonar after an export.
I get that all the time, and just close the projects without saving, as I do not want to inadvertently ADD some change I accidentally may have introduced in doing the export. (hitting some stray key without even knowing, etc.). That is also my thinking whenever Sonar asks me for a save when I have not made any deliberate changes. So, I NEVER save if I am not 100% sure I did something on purpose. I would rather make sure to LOSE any change that I have no awareness of.
I suppose it boils down to philosophy applied to that situation, and different folks will have different approaches on dealing with this kind of situation.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2012/12/12 11:03:30
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I've seen this behavior as well but never worried about it enough to track down the source of it. In one case, the asterisk appeared immediately after loading or saving the project.
I assume it's due to a minor bug in a plugin. When you change a plugin's parameters, those settings only get saved when the project gets saved, so the plugin must notify SONAR to set its data-changed flag to make sure that happens. However, the plugin has to differentiate between parameter changes you made via the UI versus changes made via automation. I think sometimes the devs overlook that distinction in their code and accidentally set the change flag in response to MIDI data or automation.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2015/03/16 15:15:12
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Well, I'm just annoyed simply because whenever I open a project and hit play then try to exit Sonar, it asks if I want to save the changes... What changes?! It's the little things with Sonar that annoys the crap outta me.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2015/03/16 15:15:14
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Well, I'm just annoyed simply because whenever I open a project and hit play then try to exit Sonar, it asks if I want to save the changes... What changes?! It's the little things with Sonar that annoys the crap outta me.
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Re:Playing song prompts me to save it upon completion-even if no changes are made
2015/03/16 16:36:06
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Yeah... This issue has been around for a long time...
I don't re-save it as I know I already did and made no conscious changes...
I agree with Danny though as I've found it related to unruly plugins, but I can see how the pop up can be a pita in some situations...
It happens less frequently to me as I use far fewer 3rd party plugins these days...
I don't know if it's reasonable or worth The Bakers time to find a way of correcting such issues, but it would be nice...
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