polarbear
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Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
Hey everyone So this is just meant to be more of a discussion, not necessarily serious advice or anything, but here's my question. You just made the album of your career. You have never been more proud of anything you've worked on, you've put your heart and soul into it, you created something that not only showcases you as a musician, but has plenty of potential as a marketable product. The album, is done, you have it set up for distribution independently through, lets say CDbaby or something (and digitally through all the usuals, iTunes, Amazon, etc). Pressed copies are in hand. You are ready to start getting the word out about your album and you have exactly $1000.00 to spend. What do you spend it on? I'm sure there will be a lot of different ideas and answers and opinions on something like this. Some will say to put it all towards touring. Some might say advertise on Google, Facebook, whatever. Some might say spend it on a nice video. Some might say a mix of many different things. What do you think is a good way to spend that $1000.00 after the album is 100% complete and available for music listeners to listen to / purchase? David
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 13:16:55
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A thousand bucks won't get you far. I'd say invest in a professional promo package (pics, bio, etc...) that you can use to apply for some grants if you qualify. Up here in Canada if you have an album you can apply for grants to do a video, promotions and manufacturing/distro type stuff. You would use the promo package to apply and you can also send it out to labels and stuff. Use them sparingly. I'm not sure how many packages you'd get for a $1000 these days but if my memory isn't too fuzzy you might 20 or so out of it after you pay for the photo shoot and all the other stuff involved. You CAN do much of that stuff yourself but if you want to be taken seriously they expect it to be done by an established company who specializes in this kind of thing. I may be a little fuzzy on these details because I've never done this directly myself but worked at a place that did and was involved in a band years ago that had it done a couple times. We were involved with a pretty well known indie label back then so everything had to be done by the book. Cheers.
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polarbear
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 13:27:01
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Thanks for the response. Grants would be lovely :-) I luckily have a professional photographer and copywriter on hand that can help with the press kit stuff, so really the spending would go towards getting that information around. There are so many companies out there offering to spread your information out to the right ears, but it's hard figuring out which ones are the right ones, especially for someone like me who is not a touring "band."
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 13:46:34
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If you have photos together already that should cut the cost down significantly but you'll still want to get the promo pack put together professionally. Some places might give you a hard time about not using their photographer but if you push them or hunt around you can get it done. The promo pack is imperative for grants and stuff because it shows you are serious. Same thing with labels. One thing to be aware of if you intend on marketing yourself to labels on your own... well don't. You can make make up a name and pretend that you are a separate manager/agent but that gets a little sticky if you get busted. Again the promo pack can help you get an agent as a go between between you and the labels. Again I'll say my knowledge on this is kind of second hand and likely sketchy and I personally don't like all the fake bullpoop we have to go through for the labels to look at our stuff but that is unfortunately the nature of the beast. Seriously with that amount of cash the promo packs are the way to go, find a decent agent (research the hell out of anyone you are considering because there are lot of losers and sheisters out there). Also you might want to set aside some cash for a website or if you already have one to develop it a little further. Good luck, dude. It's a jungle out there.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 13:49:43
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BTW a professional video that is acceptable for airplay on MTV and the like is a minimum of $10,000. Trust me on that one... I used to work for a company that did that stuff. They would however help you get a grant but you did need to have the professional promo packs, a full release and some kind of label affiliation. Cheers.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 13:57:01
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Yea I wish the video option was doable. Would love to have some videos for the album I'm making. But I know cheap looks cheap haha. Thanks for your input. If anyone else has any thoughts, would love to hear them.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 13:57:46
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Okay... one last thing because I don't want to leave you feeling that those are the only routes in. These days if you have access to a buddy with a nice video camera, some editing skills and some creativity you can certainly attempt the online viral video route. In this scenario you'll really want to stand out. This is not going to make the industry drop to their knees for you but it can build your fanbase and if it REALLY takes off then someone high up might take notice. Odds are against that but hey, you never know. The point is do the self promotion stuff as well but the industry guys expect certain protocols to be followed. As I said I personally think it's bollocks but I ain't running the companies and I sure as hell ain't some megastar... likely because I detest the game so much I may have held my career back with my staunch attitude.
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polarbear
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 14:04:18
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Well here's a question to you and anyone else... Are there any PAID ENTRANCE sites you recommend paying for? For example ReverbNation has it's paid offerings that offer more promotional tools and whatnot. Things like that. On the side from making music for albums I also have scored films and am considering paying for IMDBpro soon since my profile is slowly but surely starting to gain some credits.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 14:57:24
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Sorry... was on the phone. I myself am still trying to sort it all all out in the new way of doing things but I do keep seeing CDbaby being bandied about. I don't have much cash to toss at such things at the moment so I'm just gonna keep learning how to self produce and get some more material together while researching how to actually put it all out. I'm actually pretty interested in what Amazon can do because I like them as a company and I'm not really looking to make a fortune anyway. Just want to get the tunes out there and make a bit of scratch on the side, yanno? I couldn't imagine having to be in the spotlight in these times. They want more than just your art now. They want a hunk of your flesh and spirit and I have very little to spare at this point. I'll probably end up one of those artists who gets all his recognition posthumously if at all. Best of luck to you though and don't let the frackers get the best of you. Stay in control of your music and more importantly yourself. Cheers.
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polarbear
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 15:04:22
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Oh yea I have 6 albums distributed through CDbaby. They're all niche type albums though, where as the thing I'm going to be releasing soon is something I take much more seriously. But I have no complaints with CDbaby. They distribute me to iTunes, Amazon and all the other big names and don't take too much off the top.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/15 15:31:11
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Good to hear another artist having luck with CDbaby. I'll definitely be taking a good long look at them when I'm ready. There is another fellow on here, Linear Phase, who posted about another online distribution site that had some pretty decent rates. I forget the name but he posted a link in the Coffee House. If you google my username with his and Coffee House Cakewalk it'll come up somewhere in the jumble. Better than using the forum search which is horribly broken.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/16 04:49:46
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My personal opinion (and what I plan to do when I finish my album) is unless you have the backing of some serious money behind you, don't even bother trying to sell your music. The most important thing is a fan base. Without that, you have nothing. No-one wants to pay for a band they have never heard of and won't just pick up a cd and buy it just like that. If it's FREE however, you might have a bit better of a chance. I figure distribute it free, and get your friends to tell their friends and their friends about it. Get a fan base. Once you have that, you can go to a record and say "look at all these potential customers out there ready to buy my products". Then they want you. If you got no-one they couldn't care. Or you get lucky ;) That's my 'average musician' pessimistic take on it anyway!
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/16 09:09:50
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Well $1000 is decent startup capital for a tour which is usually the most effective way to build your fan base but I don't think the OP is interested in gigging. Low budget touring kind of sucks anyway unless you're a healthy young dude. Again though you need an agent to set up the gigs and get your guarantees. Getting stuck in the middle of butthole nowhere because you ran out of money is brutal.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/16 11:27:24
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I agree with the fan base idea. If you are playing live.... hopefully you have been collecting email addresses and setting up some sort of communication path to your fans... As a small time, limited budget, artist, selling to fans is the best way to go. It take huge budgets for marketing and advertising to sell CD's to the masses. This is where creative thinking and figuring out how to create the buzz about your product and music is most critical. The internet is a good resource and way to get it out.... BUT, everybody and their brother is also using the same tactics. How can YOU stand out from the crowd? I'd look back at that fan base and live gigs.... sell the CD's at the venues and other merchandise too...and build that email fan base.... good luck.
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polarbear
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/16 14:18:02
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thanks for the feedback guys. a lot of good thoughts. i've been around a long while though with my other musical projects, and have done the building the fanbase thing (my email list is in the multiple 1000s), and have done lots of kinds of promotional opportunities and sold a bunch of cds (although like mattplaysguitar said, for the most part, no one cares about unsigned unknown artists). unfortunately my new project is electronic music and i won't really be touring or anything like that but i still want it to be heard. press and airplay on web based radio and podcasts (basically exposure) is what i want most out of it. so i'm looking for paid websites and services worth using to help gain that kind of exposure. obviously i have a very different road ahead of me than most bands. my old comedy-hiphop projects it was easy (well not easy in the sense that we made it HUGE or anything haha, but easy to know what to do)... we did shows, we got a little press, we worked the social networks. we got heard, we got fans, we made some sales. but this is different. it's just me and the internet basically. i've been collaborating with a lot of film makers and game makers to make some experiences that tie into the music. but again, THOSE need to be found too. so that's why promotion is the main thing i need once this project is ready, and i'm just trying to figure out who/what/where offers the best ones worth paying for.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/16 14:29:42
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You know what you could do is start hunting around for folks who do webcast radio shows and toss them some tunes. Just like college radio stations were a great in for a lot of us not so knowns. In fact... contact some college radio stations too. This thread is actually getting my brain moving in the right direction too. I've always been bogged down by other dum dums with weird ideas about how this type of thing should be done. It'll be nice being free from those shackles.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/16 14:32:38
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Cripes... I just repeated what you said. Yeah, man... you know what to do. Just spend some time every morning while your having some coffee or whatever scouring the net for places to shoot your music to. Still good to have a promo pack though. Oh and compilations are another great way to get your stuff out there. Pick a couple of your best tunes and see who's putting out stuff in your genre.
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Re:Album Done - $1000 to Spend... A Discussion
2012/12/17 11:21:16
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Haha yea, I think web radio shows are a big thing, especially for my genre (electronic or more specifically electronic new-age). Gonna just have to start really putting in work gathering names and places. Compilations is a good idea I hadn't thought of though. I mean I've had my music included on compilations in the past, but they're always local and now that you mention it, I haven't really looked into the possibility of getting on other compilations. I'm glad this thread is getting some hits. I mean there's not really a lot of information out there for people in this situation. It's either "you have ZERO dollars so go start a facebook and do some local shows and get your buddies to share it" or "you have investors looking to fund big professional music videos, a tour, ads and etc etc etc, so here's a list of things to spend tons of money on" ... what about someone who has a healthy but small little pile of cash to spend on getting him (or her)self heard? i'm aiming to have my press pack together by the end of January. album done by the end of February and hopefully first video ready by then too if some of the collaborators I've met come through... or if i figure out a cool, unique, cheap but cool concept I can do myself. anyone else with any ideas please continue to post and whatever i think of i'll post here. honestly my main reason for starting the question in the first place was to hopefully find out about some paid-for services/companies/websites that are worth giving a little chunk of my money to help get me some exposure. there's so many of them out there, it's hard to decipher which would be worth the money and which wouldn't.
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