Ron2112
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Using Effects with MIDI
So watching the Cake TV Sonar intro with Brandon and Seth Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3eeSD9uPqw ...I'm puzzled by the part at 15:00 where they are able to use Breverb as a real-time reverb effect for a MIDI track. Right now, I only have the option to use Breverb as an audio effect. What am I missing here? Any help is greatly appreciated, especially realizing that this is probably a really basic, remedial question. Thanks, Ron
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Re:Using Effects with MIDI
2012/12/22 10:56:31
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It is not being used as a MIDI effect, it is being placed after the MIDI file is played and it functions on the audio track.
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Ron2112
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Re:Using Effects with MIDI
2012/12/22 11:33:53
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arachnaut
It is not being used as a MIDI effect, it is being placed after the MIDI file is played and it functions on the audio track.
OK, thanks.....I figured they were probably doing something like that. So how do I make this technique work? Thanks, Ron
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arachnaut
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Re:Using Effects with MIDI
2012/12/22 12:28:16
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You should go through the tutorials, there are lots to choose from in the CakeTV area and on YouTube. Start from the Sonar Program Help menu.
Since you will no doubt be using these basic techniques a lot, you need to be grounded in the terminology and component locations in the GUI.
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Re:Using Effects with MIDI
2012/12/22 13:41:55
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Yes, please invest some time to go through the tutorials. There are basic concepts for settings, normal audio and midi recording, and lots of other stuff. These may seem like a waste, but the information in them is well worth spending the time.
In addition, many folks in the forum get a bit chippy when someone asks questions that are present in even the most basic of tutorials.
To insert an audio effect on an audio track, you can right-click in the FX bin for that audio track, then click on the steps to insert an audio effect, then pick one, then configure it once it gets inserted and its property page opens.
But again, PLEASE do the tutorials. Sonar is easy to putter around in, but it is a really powerful tool and while you may figure some things out without studying a bit, you will not even come REMOTELY close to good with the product - so grab some popcorn, a notepad, and kick back to the videos.
I would also point out that there are some FABULOUS books and videos for sale that really do GREAT justice to explaining most functionality of the product. You can I believe review the table of contents for some of them. I am not sure if there are any X2 videos or books completed yet, but keep an eye out for them. I have owned prior books before and was very happy with their content.
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Ron2112
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Re:Using Effects with MIDI
2012/12/22 16:17:31
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Thanks for the responses. I do understand the basics, such as adding audio FX.
What I was looking for was a bit more esoteric -- specifically, how did the guys manage to apply audio effects to MIDI output in the video I linked above.
If anyone can point to a specific tutorial that covers this, it would be great. I would guess it might involve applying the effects to an audio output bus, but if that's what the guys in the video are doing, it isn't obvious to me.
Thanks again for any help.
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Re:Using Effects with MIDI
2012/12/22 16:28:14
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Basically, a VSTi synth has a MIDI track (which it takes input from) and an audio track it outputs audio to.
Audio effects are applied to the audio track.
By default Sonar uses a thing called an "instrument track" which is the two kind of combined (from the point of view of the user). Audio effects can be added to these instrument tracks (internally they're added to the "audio track" component of the instrument track).
Many people prefer to use separate MIDI and audio tracks. The dialogue that comes up when you insert a synth gives you the option of which to use.
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Ron2112
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Re:Using Effects with MIDI
2012/12/22 18:13:21
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tlw
Basically, a VSTi synth has a MIDI track (which it takes input from) and an audio track it outputs audio to.
Audio effects are applied to the audio track.
By default Sonar uses a thing called an "instrument track" which is the two kind of combined (from the point of view of the user). Audio effects can be added to these instrument tracks (internally they're added to the "audio track" component of the instrument track).
Many people prefer to use separate MIDI and audio tracks. The dialogue that comes up when you insert a synth gives you the option of which to use.
OK....thanks again. I kind of thought it was something like that. In my effort to duplicate what I was seeing, I created a MIDI track using the piano roll, but just mapped it to my general MIDI card. Guessing that if I change that mapping to a VST synth, what you describe above will become more obvious? Again, thanks. The vast majority of my Sonar experience is using pure digital audio. So I understand FX, plugins, etc, etc. By my MIDI use has been limited to this point.
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