Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick?????

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2012/12/23 19:23:11 (permalink)

Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick?????

 
I can not draw in the velocity data in the controller pane. How do I change the velocities????!!!!!!  also, cannot get multiple take lanes in the PRV controller pan as in the video.  PLEASE HELP!
 
just watched this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw5z9BKWD-I
go to 25:50 approx for the PRV demo stuff

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    TraceyStudios
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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/23 19:42:37 (permalink)
    Heres what I have going on, I am using 2 different midi patterns for drums, so there is severl different peices of information in the MIDI data. the velocities between the 2 files vary and I need to make them siliar, how in the heck do I select jsut the kick drums in one clip and change all of their velocities at the same time, then repeat for snares etc.....  there has got to be an easy way, this new version is driving me crazy!!!!  at this point I miss version 5, may not be as fance, but i could do what I needed to do!  I have watched tutorials, and wasted 2 hours trying this.  I am very frustrated at this point.

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/23 20:03:20 (permalink)
    Ok based on your problem.
     
    If you want to select all the kick hits use the keyboard on the left to select the note and all the kicks will be selected.
     
    Next click on the mouse wheel and the HUD will pop up. Right click on the wrench and select edit.
     
    Then move the mouse over the middle of one of the selected notes until you see the mouse curser change to what looks like ili and click on the note, drag up to increase the vel and down to reduce.
     
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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/23 20:13:42 (permalink)
    In PRV set the smart tool to the arrow, then right click and lasso select all of the kick drum notes that you want to adjust (right click on mouse and move the mouse to the right until the end all kick notes are then highlighted). Once you have done that you can then increase or decrease velocity for all highlighted items. Repeat for snare etc.

    To view multiple tracks in PVR - control and left click on each clip - or track that you want to view (with tracks with more than one clip you need to highlight each clip within the track) and then open PVR, you should now be able to see multiple clips or tracks. This is very helpful when trying to edit different midi drum tracks.

    Qualification - I am new to this forum and others may well have better ideas or advice than I, however this works for me.

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/23 20:18:59 (permalink)
    Are you using X2?

    If so, in the PRV... as Tom said, click the keyboard key that represents the kick to select all kick notes.

    Then, using the Smart tool, you can do as Tom said and hover your mouse over the top of one of the selected notes until you see the Draw tool with lines show at the eraser end of it. Then click and drag up/down to raise/lower velocities of all selected notes.

    OR you can use the Controller pane and hold down Alt while clicking and dragging the mouse over the selected note velocities to draw in new values. The first method is easier though.


    You can also use the Event Inspector to do all kinds of parameter changes on MIDI notes. Check out this free video...
    * Cakewalk SONAR: Event Inspector Editing - http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/video.asp?ID=7

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/23 21:37:42 (permalink)
    thanks so much guys, I will print this out and take it in the room with me. I appreciate it!

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/24 11:08:26 (permalink)
    if i want to select only some of the kick notes and adjust all together, how do I do that?  once I zoom out, my curser seems to turn into a magnifying glass, how do I turn that off?  I don't want to change all of the kick velocities on t he entire song at the same time, i used a few midi patterns, and need to adjust each one (pattern) to get all of the velocities consistent, so I need to change, for example 12 measures at a time, not the entire song.  In my previous version of sonar, i was able to zoom out, select all of the midi notes i wanted to change by "drawing a frame/box" around them and them and then change the velocity.  What I seem to get now are all of the bells and whistles which I am having trouble figuring out how to work with them.  I can no longer select by "drawing a box" when I am zoomed out. very hard time getting the velocity change to appear while hovering over the midi note, once I get it and click to change it, it creates a new midi note.  it seems to be very tempermental! I did find a feature that would show only the velicoties for the midi notes selected, however doesn't really suite any purpose, would think if you selected midi notes and only saw those velocities for the selected notes, you should be able to edit those and only those notes, NOPE! not how it works, once you draw or click into the controller pane, it will edit all midi note velocities.  I gotta say, I really feel like this version was actually a step backwards when it came to midi editing. I could be wrong, but I could use an in depth tutorial video on PRV. I did watch a demo mentioned previously, but that does not toouch on any of my specific needs.

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/24 15:17:20 (permalink)
    Which version of SONAR are you using? Things are different between X1 and X2.

    Regarding the PRV... you mentioned a tutorial... the PRV will be covered in detail in my upcoming SONAR X2 Power! book... http://www.garrigus.com/powerbooks.asp

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/24 15:26:53 (permalink)
    am using X2

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/24 15:39:10 (permalink)
    Okay, then to lasso ("draw a box around") notes, you need to right-click and drag over the notes.

    Also, the magnification you mentioned is called Microscope mode in SONAR. You can set that by choosing Edit > Preferences > Customization - Editing and then setting the Microscope option. Remove the check mark to turn it off.

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/24 16:46:39 (permalink)
    You're probably running into the same thing I did. In x2 the icon stays as a pencil all the time and this is confusing. 

    Make sure to select only the notes you want to modify (right click drag or click on the note in the piano roll to select all of that specifc drum) and then make sure to ALT click drag on the velocity pane. If you click drag, you will change ALL notes and be very frustrated :)

    ALT + click is the trick, with the smart tool. 

    I'm sure you're already using it, but the Notes -> "Show velocity on selected notes only" is a god send.

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2012/12/26 12:03:44 (permalink)
    garrigus & josh, thanks so much!  sometimes adjusting to change is frustrating. Appreciate your help.

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2013/01/01 22:40:38 (permalink)
    garrigus & josh:  Well I spent the whol day working on drum tracks in the PRV. Your posts really helped thanks!!  I learned alot today. I imported some midi patterns and then edited them as need and really have been trying to make them sound like a human drummer, so it took some time. Found on pattern with several 16th note fills on the snare and toms, when I zoomed all the way in, there was only 1 "tick" (midi note), where I was expecting 4. Any suggestions on this. And also, in Sonar 5 I was abble to "paint" in parts, for example, I could pick the note length value and then just draw/pain them in.  Is that feature still there?  Probly is, and I just didn't stumble accross it. Again thanks for your help!!!

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2013/01/01 23:28:30 (permalink)
    Not sure what you mean regarding the MIDI pattern with 1 tick. If you mean the duration of the notes, you can change that. But drum notes don't need long durations because they're just hits and not held out notes.

    As for the Paint Brush feature in the PRV... no, that's gone. Cakewalk removed it.

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2013/01/02 18:29:52 (permalink)
    what I mean by "tick" is shows only 1 midi note, however when that note triggers it actually is playing back as 4 16th notes, like a roll.  I have zoomed in thinking there were several notes squashed together or on top of one another in the display, but nope, it shows as one note. As I was zoomed in I also was looking for multiple velocities and there was only 1 velocity there. So I thought maybe there was a trick to that. I imported the groove from either groove monkey or whatever came with session drummer.

    As far as note length values, i guess I meant, I could pick "1/4" and paint(drag the mouse over while holding the click) in notes and it would autofill/snap each note to the quarter notes (on the beat) of the measures, or if I picked 1/8, it would put them on each 1/2 beat. I'm sure this is confusing, cuz it is hard to explain.

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    Re:Changing velocities in PRV = what's the trick????? 2013/01/02 19:33:31 (permalink)
    That first thing sounds like you're triggering a special drum roll sample, which would require only one MIDI note to trigger the sample, but you'll hear multiple hits because the sample itself is of a drum roll.

    When you choose a note duration, you can double-click or Alt+click to enter a note of that exact duration. If you click+drag, you can drag the note out to any desired length, but it will snap according to the snap resolution.

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