Portable recorder feedback needed

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2012/12/26 13:01:05 (permalink)

Portable recorder feedback needed

My Daughter offered to by me a new Camera for Christmas but thought she'd wait for my input. I have a better idea, I have always wanted one of those portable recorders. 

Heres what I would use it for;

Song writing ideas that hit you while sitting on the couch. 
Interviews. 
Live stereo recordings of choirs and whatever.
Record band rehearsals   

So I don't think I want/ need too many features. Just solid easy to use. It only needs to record at 44.1/24 bit as that's my preferred  format. 

So anybody out there own one of these and having good long term results, Any tips on features that make a difference? 

I would like to keep the price under $200 as I believe the camera would have been. 

Thanks and hope everyone's having a great holiday

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/26 15:59:31 (permalink)
    Hi there,
    A while back I bought the M-Audio MicroTrack. It the price was around $250. I was very pleased, I recorded almost everything on it. Solid device lots of options and I could operate it with closed eyes. I gave it to my father for him to use it and never got it back... lol
    If you want to shop on ebay I am sure you ll find it for less than $200.
    Other than that the TASCAM DR-07mkII seems like will do the job just fine and you still have change for a few adaptors and cables!

    Good luck!

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/26 17:01:26 (permalink)
    Thanks

    SO far I found this one which has xlr inputs, most seem to have 1/8" 

    file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/John/My%20Documents/Recorders/TASCAM%20DR-40%20Portable%20Digital%20Recorder%20%20%20Musician's%20Friend.htm


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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/26 18:19:21 (permalink)
    If you can afford about $269, a Zoom R8 would be a good option. Recorded a band rehearsal with the built-in mics and it recorded surprisingly good. It uses SD cards and runs completely silent. Here's a review from Anderton that helped convince me to get it: http://acapella.harmony-c...r-Interface-Controller

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/26 18:49:53 (permalink)
    I own the Tascam DR-40 and am quite pleased with it overall.

    Decent onboard pre's (notice I said decent, not awesome....but for what I paid for it, I'm not complaining a bit....you can always use external pre's for your "offboard" mics)

    The battery life isn't bad (it suffers if you start using phantom power on more than one mic at a time, though)

    So....a few sdhc cards, some spare batteries, maybe a couple of your own mics, and you are good to go with what I think is a good recorder!  And, you could also use external pres, as I said.....I'll use my Mackie running into the DR-40 at times...



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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/26 19:01:36 (permalink)
    For capturing song writing and musical ideas I have found the phone to be pretty cool at doing this and you already own it. Just check out the recorder options with your phone. I have found it to sound remarkably good and you can just connect it to your computer and drag the file straight off it and into your DAW for further work etc..

    But yes a proper stereo recorder is always a good thing to have. I would get that over an 8 track device as you can always just make stereo recordings of your band rehearsals. Although brutal in some ways that is the best way to see who is playing out of balance with the rest of the band! (guitars usually! LOL 




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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/26 19:34:47 (permalink)
    Here's another novel use for a pocket recorder: I borrowed one from a friend to record test tones in several different cars. I now have sonic signatures that help me audition mixes in those cars and not be misled by each one's acoustical anomalies.


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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/26 20:00:41 (permalink)
    I have the Zoom H1 (I bought the accessory pack with it) and have been very happy with it.  It is great for recording rehearsals, etc.

    I tried to use it to capture both of my dogs barking at the same time which I was able to do (for a sample set to record as .wav) but ended up not using the sample because I discover that every time the dog barks my birds chirp.

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/26 20:06:30 (permalink)
    If you are looking at the Zoom options the newer H2n is quite different and has many more features now than the H4n. It has 4 built in mics and can do full surround recordings ie it can record front and rear at the same time. Something the H4n cannot do. That is basically a stereo device only.

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/26 20:33:42 (permalink)
    I so wish I had had one of these back in 90's. I interviewed my drum instructor at the time (Joe Morello) on a Radio Shack micro cassette recorder (which at the time cost as much as the H1 did last year) ... the noise was horrendous.
    I'll post the recording one of these days.

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/27 00:29:58 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for your feedback, 

    If I stay around $200 seems you have a few picks. So far I get this list top 2 are in the showdown unless someone points me at a product I have missed. 

    Tascam Dr 40-  Has all the features I want XLR inputs, 4 track. 
     
    Zoom Hn2- bummer mini jack inputs  but I like that it comes with Wave Lab LE 7 which I was going to pay $100 for anyhow!   Zoom Hn4  over budget Tascam and H2 is better deal.  
     
    Roland r 05- Only 2 track stupid 1/4" input jacks are not matched for stereo recording. 
    Yamaha C24 - Should sell for $100 2 track, mini jack, flash card boo
    Olympus LS 14  -Same, overpriced 2 track, mini jacks, 



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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/27 10:41:16 (permalink)
    Looks like you've done good research. I've nothing to add except I was surprised to see a friends studio in Dallas. He shares a place with a a post production company and set them up a simple and quick VO setup using the Zoom Hn2 - has worked out remarkably well for them in this pro post scenario.
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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2012/12/27 12:11:39 (permalink)
    This has been an interesting little research project. 
    At first I was overwhelmed by the 4 pages of products on a few of the main music ware sites. But I quickly eliminated 80% of them by focusing on a price limit of $200, and wishing for at least 4 tracks. 

    It's amazing in the $70-$150 price range they are almost all identical in features. If I was only wanting stereo recording then it would have been a lot harder to narrow the search. And then some like the Roland and Yamaha should be in that price range but are grossly overpriced, why bother making a product and then offering nothing extra other than a brand name? 

    So I could not decide between the Tascam DR 40 and the Zoom Hn2 and what I did was put them both on my wish list. So My daughter gets to make a random decision and I won't know whch one I will get until it arrives. 

    Note: Amazon has the best pricing right now.  

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2013/01/11 22:04:48 (permalink)
    Got the Tascam DR 40! I like it. So far everything is as it should be and nothing is too terribly disappointing. The Zoom is the better choice if your a movie maker, I did learn that from some other threads on other sites. 
    But the Tascam DR 40  is the only one at $150 that comes with 4 tracks and XLR inputs. 
    Now waiting for delivery of the Yamaha DTX 400K digital drums, my other birthday gift. Reviews to follow...

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2013/01/12 00:51:06 (permalink)
    I bought the cheapest Tascam out there last year for $50.  works good.  You have to be careful with the mics and not distort them, but at 24 bits it ain't that noisy.  I used them on a last minute job for a friend recording a concert in a church w/ a vocalist/piano.  Found a good spot and recorded the whole hour long thing.  It took some cleaning up in SF but sounded remarkably good for $50.  It worked so well I used it on the next one w/ no complaints - I'm not sure how much better it would sound if I had spent an extra  benjamin or more.  For most common jobs it should work fine.

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2013/01/12 11:31:37 (permalink)

    I'm a big fan of the Boss recorders because of the COSM-FX and amp sims, they just sound great to me. Good deal on the little one;

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2013/01/12 12:23:25 (permalink)
    Late to the party - I just picked up a Tascam DR-40, and I am quite pleased with my purchase.

    Over the last couple years I've worked with portable recorders from Sony, Zoom, and Tascam. If money were not an issue I'd probably have purchased a Sony PCM-D50, I think it sounds just a tad better than the Tascam.

    The DR-40 sounds great, and the second set of inputs works well with most of my microphones. The noise floor is a bit too high for passive ribbon microphones, and the phantom power is not quite up to the task of powering two C-414s.

    So far I am really happy with my choice!

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2013/01/12 16:30:16 (permalink)
    Thanks for the updates folks. 
    AT- Ya I don't expect much for $150, It's not like your going to get a Pair of $600 mikes right! I assume they'll be good enough for sketch pads and band practice. 
    The main reason I wanted this model is it's the only one at this price point with XLR inputs. 


    WST3 - Glad to hear it's working for you too. I knew the Phantom power would be next to useless as this is true of any device that would run on AA cells. I plan on only using the inputs for guitar, Bass and a feed from a mixing board. 

    I get to try it out tonight at my birthday party as I invited a few musician friends over and well sneak into the studio to jam. The acid test will be if it works easily under the influence! 
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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2013/01/13 11:07:28 (permalink)
    can't wait to hear how it worked at your birthday jam!

    And I hope I did not mislead - I was really quite surprised at how well the AA based phantom power worked with some more modern microphones. I used a pair of Earthworks SR-70s plugged directly into the DR-40, and was able to record on batteries the entire time I was using it. I'm pretty sure it shortened the life of those three batteries, but it worked - which is an important data point!

    Also tried it with a pair of plain old dynamic microphones last night, and reports that the noise floor is a bit high for such things are only partly true. When recording a couple of guitar amplifiers up close and personal there was no noise problem! When recording vocals it was a little more of a problem, but it was easily fixed by editing the file. In fact, a noise gate did a pretty good job of cleaning up the track, but I do get picky<G>!

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    Re:Portable recorder feedback needed 2013/01/13 11:53:00 (permalink)
    Well the party went as party will go and we didn't get a chance to jam at all! Couldn't motivate anyone. So still haven't given it a try.
    Tomorrow I'll play with it. 
    Good news about the phantom power, I think I will use a wall wart when recording concerts, I'll try it first to make sure it dos not add AC hum. I see you can also power it via USB port. 

    The condenser mikes I have for live concerts are these tiny Shure choir overheads and I don't think they need much power. Finding a place for it will be tricky. Looking into the remote control.  

    For band rehearsal I was going to stereo mike the drums with the built ins,  and then a board mix to 1/2. 

    To bad it can't be used as a true 4 track, as in overdubbing on all 4 tracks separately, so far one disappointment. 

     I read the manual ( pat on back)

    Excited about the foot controller which would allow hands free operation. Two uses....band rehearsal and live gig playback of backing tracks! try that with your stinking iPhone ha!   


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