Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks

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2012/12/30 13:03:40 (permalink)

Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks

Hey,

I am putting together a 3 piece,  family-based cover band (guitar, bass drums).  

I would really like to record some backing parts with extra percussion and keyboard parts.  I am comfortable recording midi and using soft synths in Sonar but I have no idea how to configure them to sound even close to the synths used by, say the Cars or Depeche Mode.

Could anyone tell me where I could find a set of (e.g.) 80s patches for any of the synths that come with X1 Producer? 

Thanks a lot and happy New Year.

Cheers,
Thomas
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    Jeff M.
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/30 13:50:55 (permalink)
    Check out the E-MU Proteus Pack for Dimension in the Cake Store for $20.

    Or the mus3um stuff for Z3ta and/or Rapture.
     http://patcharena.com/dow...a6c7cba0e0a7d0a03bbff0


    I don't see why they would not work with the LE versions if you haven't upgraded those synths.


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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/30 13:50:58 (permalink)
    well drum machines aren't an issue as you have an 808 and 909 in sonar, goldbaby do decent libraries also.

    as for synth patches, it's tricky.. a lot of makers do "sound-a-like" patches or if you can find out the synth used in the original e.g. oberheim used in 99 red baloons / jump then it does make it a bit easier to find a modern equivalent.

    there is a pack of vintage stuff does for z3ta +2  of 80's synths

    but why not download muz3um for rapture  / z3ta... both are free and do have a lot of the older sounding synths.

    I own lush + diva also.. both aren't cheap, and eat CPU but are very good.

    a nice juno sounding thing is TAL's one.. which is a decent enough price

    or get synth1 by the japanese guy.. on kvr.. the extra patches you'll find useful.

    post edited by Fog - 2012/12/30 13:56:18
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/30 14:11:09 (permalink)
    The muz3um soundsets are good for your use - classic synth samples pre-programmed.  The Rapture ones are arranged w/ several synths layered - you have to mute one or more elements but it is a good way to pack lots of sounds in fewer presets.

    There are lots of free stuff for Z3ta, too, not just the mus3um.

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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/30 14:26:47 (permalink)
    Does anyone use PSYNII?
    post edited by scook - 2012/12/30 14:39:04
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/30 22:50:41 (permalink)
    I think psynII was more popular among project 5 users. It's a decent synth but kind of overlaps in many ways with other cakewalk synths. It would not be too far off to say it sounds a little like a a brighter Pentagon. The broade popularity of z3ta+ probably makes it your best choice to find already existing patches that emulate 80's artists. gearwire did a tutorial a few years back recreating "Blue Monday" using Rapture le: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtEd7WY7pp0
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/30 23:46:31 (permalink)
    I thought it's name was a reference to Pentagon. It seems less "in your face" than z3ta and way more stable than Pentagon. Of the CW stuff, I use Rapture most often but was curious why it never gets mentioned when seeking analog sounding stuff out of CW synths.
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/31 00:16:48 (permalink)
    I prefer the sound of pentagon to psyn, but it does seem to crash a lot. I noticed on each patch you have to be extra careful not to clip within the vst.
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/31 00:26:04 (permalink)
    And pentagon also has the added feature of the Valley setting in the simulator. What a thrill when patches that use the simulator peg the output. It was a nice synth and the vocoder is an interesting touch but it seriously needs work.
    post edited by scook - 2012/12/31 00:27:23
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/31 16:16:46 (permalink)
    Thanks very much all.  I will start with the  mus3um.
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/31 18:16:27 (permalink)
    scook, sadly I suspect Pentagon is doomed to be a legacy synth. The only one of the old RGC synths Cakewalk has bothered updating is z3ta+. I think if they were going to update it or reboot it, the time would have been 4-5 years ago when it was still in wider use with more than just people who owned Sonar. Most of cakewalk synths are fo0rmerly commercial synths that have become non-viable economically to sell. Thus being a nice bonus for Sonar buyers but not worth spending money on developing. I think they should make the code open source and let someone release an update as a labor of love. Maybe have a contest.
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2012/12/31 18:26:42 (permalink)
    Yeah, I don't hold any hope for pentagon, z3ta +2 was a pleasant surprise. Wonder how long before z3ta+2 replaces the original z3ta+ in SONAR.
    post edited by scook - 2012/12/31 18:27:59
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2013/01/01 18:41:30 (permalink)
    When either A) they develop or license a popular synth they can sell successfully at full price to fill the slot z3ta+2 currently holds and/or B) z3t+2 becomes borderline obsolete. I'm not saying that as a complaint. They have to make money and it makes sense to bundle a great product when it has reached market saturation. The original z3ta+ is very capable still of being a primary synth and thus a great freebie .
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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2013/01/01 19:19:18 (permalink)
    scook
    And pentagon also has the added feature of the Valley setting in the simulator. What a thrill when patches that use the simulator peg the output
    I placed a limiter after Pentagon and the limiter shows a gain reduction of 640 !!! dB.
    And not only the Valley Simulator patches cause this :(
    post edited by PopStarWannabe - 2013/01/01 19:21:25

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    Re:Settings for soft synths for use in backing tracks 2013/01/04 17:36:39 (permalink)
    Maybe i should go through all the patches and alter and save them as a default bank and make it available for download. You would think cakewalk staff would have done that by now considering how damaging 640db spikes could be
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