Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24

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Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24

Hi, I am using Sonar X1 Producer on Windows 7 with a Focusrite Saffire Pro 24. I have not been able to get it to work right with Sonar X1. When I go to the Input and Output drivers I see them listed but they are greyed out. Can anyone help me figure this out? I would be very appreciative. Thanks! Moe
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 19:29:43 (permalink)
    Guessing this is an ASIO issue. Did you disable you internal sound card in SONAR?
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 19:31:14 (permalink)
    Thanks for the response. I do have the internal sound card disabled in Windows.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 19:39:15 (permalink)
    What is Edit > Preferences > Audio > Playback and Recording | Driver Mode: set to? Are there any inputs and outputs available from any device?
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 19:49:38 (permalink)
    on the front of my focusrite unit.. it has a switch for outputs 3/4 .. and in the asio driver.. it also has that.. make sure the front panel matches the software setting

    there is another dial on the front of my saffire 6 for monitoring / recording.. that might not be set right.

    but go into the audio input / output bit make sure ONLY the focusrite is set / ticked and nothing else.

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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 19:51:05 (permalink)
    Yes. They are labeled Generic Low Latency ASIO Driver. The input says Microphone (Saffire Audio) 1. The output says Speakers (Saffire Audio) 1. I try using these but have not had good performance. There are 8 greyed out inputs and 4 greyed out outputs.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:07:54 (permalink)
    Is this a new interface?

    Did you install the latest drivers from the Focusrite website? If you installed from the disc that is likely the problem.

    If this is not the case try restarting Sonar and check your preferences again.

    If that doesn't work reboot your computer then check again.

    If that doesn't work uninstall and reinstall the driver and check again.

    This is all assuming that you have already set up your Audio preferences correctly within Sonar and the Focusrite MixControl software. If you are unsure then read the entries in the Sonar and Saphire manuals and try again.

    Good luck.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:11:22 (permalink)
    Doh... are there checkmarks beside those other devices? If so uncheck them and the Saffire stuff should become available.


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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:17:46 (permalink)
    un-tick the generic thing.. only use the focusrite one.

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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:17:49 (permalink)
    I don't have switches for outputs or recording on the front of my Focusrite. I only have the monitor volume, headphone volume and 2 gain controls for the 2 front inputs. Unfortunately I can't check anything in input/output in Sonar. They are all greyed out. Thanks for the help though.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:20:35 (permalink)
    Doh indeed! lol! I had unchecked one of them earlier but everything was still greyed out. I just unchecked both the input and the output and what do you know.....they are ungreyed now! Thanks everyone! Now if I can get the Focusrite to play audio without dropping out. Stupid firewire! lol!
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:24:07 (permalink)
    To stop dropouts open the MixControl software and adjust your latency settings incrementally until the problem stops. This is in the manual. This might however cause delay when tracking.

    Cheers.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:28:39 (permalink)
    I have tried that. I am up to a buffer size of 1024. Still having the same issues. I'm hoping to not have latency issue when I record because it is impossible for me to record my guitar that way. I didn't have any issues at all out of my Boss GT-Pro. It was USB. I know that certain Firewire drivers can cause issues. I guess that I'll keep pushing buttons until I find the right combination. Or sell this unit and go buy a USB interface. Thanks again!
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:29:49 (permalink)
    You might also find it necessary to track with one latency setting and mix with another. 1024 is high for tracking with any interface.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:41:59 (permalink)
    I'm kind of zonking out for the night but you should list your computer specs so we can see if there is a problem there. That interface is a pretty good one as far as I know. Cheers.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:49:50 (permalink)
    At this time I'm afraid that's what I'll have to do. I'll more than likely get another interface as I shouldn't have to manually change the settings each time.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 20:54:37 (permalink)
    OK I'll try to list it: Intel i7 860 2.8 ghz processor 16 gb of ram Windows 7 64 bit Let me know if you need other info.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 21:51:14 (permalink)
    Okay, that's looking good. 

    First I'll say you might want to get a hold of Cake tech support for some recommendations. Send them an email with all your system specs and details on what's happening, write down the ticket number then if you are in the US call the toll free number 1-888-CAKEWALK. The reason I say send an email first is because then they have all the info in front of them when you call and give them the ticket number.

    That said...

    Do you know how fast your hard drives are? If they are mechanical HDDs 7200RPM is optimal. SSD drives are obviously faster though.

    Check out a program called DPC Latency checker (has nothing to do with recording latency it checks for resource spikes on youor system). It's free and Cakewalk will likely recommend it.

    Have you optimized your system for audio? There are multiple guides out there but Cakewalk has some specific steps for Sonar. Ask them about that.

    Also if you are using an ASUS motherboard there are some issues with them shipping out with a bad BIOS set up. There is an update on their site for many of their boards but BE CAREFUL. Sometimes screwing around with that can bork up your system so maybe contact ASUS or whoever made your motherboard if you think this is an issue.

    Firewire is best run from a Texas Instrument chipset so if you are running it straight into a motherboard that has an inferior FW chipset a PCI firewire card might be something to consider (but at that point perhaps it would be better to find a USB interface... but it is worth pondering).

    Anyway that's all I can think of for now and please talk to tech before you start tinkering with things if you aren't sure about stuff.

    In the meantime try to keep your effects usage to a minimum until you are ready to mix. Especially the resource intensive ones. Wherever possible "freeze" you tracks to free up resources while tracking and editing. That should help things moving along a little better. Then when it's time mix and add effects increase the latency buffers. My computer is a powerhouse and I do this anyway.

    Good luck.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 21:55:07 (permalink)
    BTW that Saffire is a nice interface. Probably nicer than mine so swapping it out before checking this type of stuff out might just be waste of time only to have the same issues.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 22:10:58 (permalink)
    Focusrite is specific with the chipset of the firewire card., usually TI chipset. 

    also they are back to the corrext driver with win 7 and NOT the legacy driver for the FW card..

    ALSO mix control 3.1 has audio issues, crackle snap pop, stay on 3.0 or 2.4

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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 22:16:48 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info. I have tried all of the Mix Control and all have the same clicking/crackle sound. I don't have the TI firewire but do have VIA. I had read that VIA was a decent chipset for Focusrite. I also tried with the legacy driver and with the correct driver and didn't notice any difference either. My guess is probably the firewire drive as I didn't have an issues with a USB interface.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/30 22:19:23 (permalink)
    Thanks again for all of the info. I will take it step by step and see what happens. An e-mail to tech support may be in my future. :-) I'm thinking that it may be the firewire driver as that seems to be a common problem when someone has issues with this particular Focusrite unit. Maybe I'll get a Focusrite with a USB. I really like their preamps.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/31 08:04:29 (permalink)
    Focusrite support is pretty awesome too. Usually when one of these threads pops up Matt from Focusrite pops in but he might be busy doing holiday stuff.

      If you like the Focusrite pres (and yeah they are indeed awesome) I've been using the Scarlett 18i6. I don't think it is supposed to be as nice as yours but to me it has just been rock solid. The only downsides are it only has 1 set of outputs, does not have the loopback function some models do and it only has 2 pres. However if you have the cash the Octo Pre they sell (or whatever it's called) just plugs straight into the light pipe giving 8 more of their pres. You can also use other interfaces as dumb pre boxes this way but this method only gives 4 extra inputs at anything above 44.1khz. If you want the full 8 pres you have to record at that samplerate. I'm sure if that is the same with the Octo Pre.

    If you want something fancier the MOTU stuff looks pretty smokin' and they are much faster than the Focusrite stuff to get the ultra low latency if that's really important to you.

    However I can get my roundtrip latency down to around 12ms on the Scarlett which isn't noticeable at all. I do have to increase that a bit during mixing though if I'm using the really heavy duty plugs or want to edit/tweak during playback. It's not like it drops out a LOT if I don't but it will occasionally and that's obviously annoying.

    Cheers.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2012/12/31 10:56:29 (permalink)
    I just wanted to follow up with what I've found in my adventures. The DPC Latency Checker is a wonderful tool. I found that my network adapter was causing some grief with my audio. I disabled it and have only noticed one little "pop" in my audio since then. Other than that I haven't had any issues. I'm going to continue testing by putting a load on the computer and enabling and disabling devices. I haven't tried recording just yet. Thanks again for all of the input. I will post back here again with any positive or negative results that I find in the hopes that it may help someone else.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2013/01/02 12:09:56 (permalink)
    Hi all,

    Moevb - I'm glad to hear that you've narrowed the issue down to DPC latency and are already getting better performance.  It sounds like you should be able to get your system pop/crackle free by continuing with DPC latency checker, but if you are still unable to get rid of the occasional click, do contact Focusrite  tech support here:  http://www.focusrite.com/answerbase/en/contact.php

    Beepster - You were right that I was "busy with holiday stuff".  Our offices have been closed for the past week due to the holiday.  I appreciate you helping moevb in my absence.  


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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2013/01/02 12:19:07 (permalink)
    Happy New Year, Matt. No problem. You guys have been good to me and you make good products. You deserve the business. Cheers.
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2013/01/02 14:42:38 (permalink)
    Gotta love Focusrite input on a Cakewalk forum!  
     
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    Re:Greyed Out Input and Output Drivers using Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 2013/01/03 01:15:41 (permalink)
    A few years ago, with my prior DAW PC, I had the same problem, and like you, used DPC latency checker to narrow it down to the network adapter driver. As soon as I disabled the driver the problem went away. As at least one post previously stated, I would recommend against getting rid of the Focusrite device unless you have no other choice. IMHO it truly is one of the best interfaces out there in that price range. I have the DSP version which is esentially the same thing except for the addition of the internal DSP chip and an extra headphone out and it has always worked very well for me. Not to mention, the Saffire MixControl software provides amazing monitoring/routing capabilities. I have it plugged in to a SIIG FW400 card with the TI chipset and it works flawlessly.
     
    Hand in there, it sounds like you're on the right track.
     
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