Is it OKAY to use presets?

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2012/12/31 16:07:39 (permalink)

Is it OKAY to use presets?

What's up, everyone! I'll start by saying this isn't a thread to question the legality or terms-of-use for presets and plugins. This thread is to question your personal opinion on whether using presets is okay?

In my opinion, as long as you change something slightly so that it's not exactly the same as the preset, you're fine. I also find that it ISN'T too okay to use the same preset between different song if you don't change any setting

What do you guys think?

 
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    Danny Danzi
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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2012/12/31 16:15:07 (permalink)
    I think presets are ok to use as starting points in *some* plugs, but most of the time they don't ever work for me. The problem with them stems from two things.

    1. Whoever created them didn't have your sounds and mix in mind. This alone makes them totally useless in some plugs.

    2. Presets often times show off a plug and may use that plug to the extreme. I think they are great at showing you the capabilities, but I myself rarely ever use a preset "as is" without tweaking it so drastically, it's no longer the preset I auditioned.

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2012/12/31 16:27:01 (permalink)
    It is also pointless to use presets in a mastering situation eg EQ, compression and limiting settings etc because the presets have no knowledge of the material they are effecting. 

    You are much better off using the techniques of setting all the parameters of the various mastering stages manually. You are also better off using reference tracks during a mastering situation where you have got something directly to compare to.

    I think synthesiser presets are another thing though. They are often either very good as they are or they are close and often you only have to edit them slightly to get the patch to work the way you want them to. Learning to edit existing synth patches is a good starting point to the next thing which is: Learn the instrument thoroughly and practice making sounds yourself from scratch. 

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2012/12/31 17:04:27 (permalink)
    I agree.... 

    I use presets.... ones that I have come up with or edited from a "factory" preset.

    There is nothing wrong with using them or any sort of legal aspect to using them.... it's all good. 

    I do agree that for the most part, to really dial in the sound..... you will want to use them as a starting point. 

    For example in Ozone, the acoustic guitar preset is nowhere close to the sound I want to hear from my acoustic. So I don't use the factory preset..... but I have customized it and saved it with the same name.  But still, on a new project, I have to tweeze it to get it sounding right. 

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2012/12/31 17:14:04 (permalink)
    I have what's probably the most pragmatic view in regards to presets and that is:

    If you try a preset and like it, and cannot hear and tell what's wrong w/ it, it means that you probably won't be able to dial in a better/proper setting from scratch at this time.

    Or you've just hit the one in a Godzillion time where a preset actually work as is. 

    So if you load a preset and think that it makes your sound better, you may want to see that as an opportunity to grab a little bit of knowledge. 

    For example, if it's an EQ, try and listen to what it does exactly - scoop the mids? boost the low end or the hi frequencies? What does it do to your sound and how could you make it even better?  

    I say if you hit a preset that sounds pleasing to you, by all mean, go ahead and mess w/ it, dissect it, study what it does, try to duplicate it and improve it. 

    A few months from now, you will probably find that you didn't push it in the right direction, that you overdid this or that. But that's all good. Identifying mistakes is part of the process. Learning often works backwards.
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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/01 23:46:11 (permalink)
    And to add to Rain's post... a preset is a very good way to get to a staring point quickly without having to change a lot of parameters.

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/02 07:57:33 (permalink)
    There is no crime committed if you strictly use presets. 

    When I first started with Ozone, I used the factory presets and was very happy with the results. 

    However...as I learned more, by reading and studying and experimenting, and I learned what each know or slider did, I began tweezing the presets to get the best (IMHO) sound I could get form the plug. 

    But really, use the presets and don't worry about it. It's where everyone starts. The presets are a good "average" setting in most cases and they will do the job well.

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/02 08:18:29 (permalink)
    For synths, I browse the presets for inspiration. More often than not I will tweak a preset to suit my requirements, but every now and then I think, "hey, that's just what I am looking for."

    I use a similar approach with my effects, especially reverb effects. But when it comes to changing tone and dynamics I will generally start with a blank page and try to dial in what I want/need.

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/02 08:29:13 (permalink)
    I find with reverbs the presets are rarely exactly right in the situation I need them in. Sure they may be in the ball park but with reverbs you really need to learn how all the parameters of a reverb actually work, what they all really do, there is no getting around it. 

    I never use EQ presets either as they have no idea how the recording was made and how your track is sounding. They are a bit like reverbs, they might be only roughly in the ball park but I think you have to be much more precise with EQ presets like reverbs. The same could be said of dynamics settings too.



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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/02 09:15:45 (permalink)
    Many, many seemingly basic FX VSTs from reverbs to compressors and EQs have nowadays a huge set of features that extend their use far beyond what the user maybe expects.

    The presets are, IMO, the fastest way to explore the limits of the VST (or a synth), as they usually do cover also the extreme possibilities of the FX in question.

    Otherwise, synths or FX, if the preset works, it works, and I use it without hesitation. Do you question if you should change the strings or tuning of a guitar before you can record it :o) :o)?

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/02 09:40:08 (permalink)
    Presets are useful to run through and find out what happens to the sound when they're applied.

    Studying the settings and hearing the changes gets you on the path to tweaking those presets to suit your needs.

    As a couple of people have said, I'm not against using one 'as it is' - if it works.

     
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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/02 09:58:24 (permalink)
    I use them all the time. There are so many presets with most plugs that all it takes is a slight tweak to get one to your liking.
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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/03 11:43:39 (permalink)
    Is it OKAY to use presets??????... Absolutley!!!  Why the hell not?
    Do presets always work out??  Absolutely not!!!!    LOL

    I have no problem whatsoever using a preset...... IF it works.

    just sayin'..

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/14 16:49:04 (permalink)
    Problem is that presets kinda guide YOU instead of YOU guiding it!  Let's say you have an idea for a song, sometimes using a patch will lock you into a space where it is not really fitting into your song.    Build it from the oscillator up (if you know sound design). 


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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/15 04:45:22 (permalink)
    I'm more comfortable using synth presets than Fx.

    An Fx preset will only ever serve as a starting point, and in the vast majority of cases, I'll set up EQ's, Compressors, Delays etc from scratch

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/17 12:38:09 (permalink)
    Presets are perfectly legal. It is not legal to take a preset and redistribute it (as in say sell a pack of patches for a synth that includes those presets). Lots of people use presets. There are certain presets for synths that have been used so much that they are embedded in music genres. In Drum and Bass the "hoover" was originally a preset on a Juno and used so much that many synths include a "hoover" preset. Some of the best synth players in the world are clueless when it comes to programming. Many programmers can't play worth squat. As far as effects, it is acceptable to use presets but often not advisable. Especially for plugins that are going to sound very different on different source material like eq and compression. Special effects that are more time or panning based like a rotating speaker effect can often be used right out the box. As already mentioned, presets are good starting points and can often get you in the ballpark or aid in learning the plugin, but cannot be relied on for accuracy.
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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/17 13:07:52 (permalink)
    No. Absolutely not.








    Well that doesn't sound right so it must be alright to use them.
    So I guess it's down to how many options does one have to use them.
    As is, modify and use, modify and save as....well, that's it for me.
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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/17 16:37:23 (permalink)
    I think most of the time in regards to effects?, I like to start with null (or zero). So I guess if my studio was called; Null Recordings and someone called to make a booking I would say; Null, sorry. 

    Besides; my studio is totally private; not for profit; not for commercial use. (hey Mr Taxman, are you reading this?)!! 
     
    OK, got my serious hat on; 

    Since my studio is totally private for my own needs I have no need to build-up a mega-list of presets but then again; almost all preset would probably need tweaking because each song is a totally new bag full of fun and surprises. I guess the term; always learning something new applies to 'everybody' no matter how much experience one has. 
     
    I will save effects presets that I tweaked but usually for things such as; Reverb because I might be wanting consistency across a particular style for an album I'm working on.  Whereas for track EQ? those setting will definitely change. But often a track requires NO effects at all. 


    There are certain elements for an album that requires some consistency such as; reverb, I guess the same might apply for instruments such as; Kick and Snare, so that I can get a sense of consistency ((that sound)) that style for the album. 

    Keep in mind though; often not all tracks require treatment at all if the source material is perfect for the song for example; a particular synth pad and such usually has a character and ambiance about it that stands on it's own and requires no further processing (effects)! Another good thing about; getting it right at the source.  
     
    In regards to virtual instruments; I start with presets and tweak them from there (more or less) for whatever works best for the song. But I have template projects on standby; readily available so that when nature (creativity) calls I'm ready to open the flood gates. 






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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/18 05:09:26 (permalink)
    A newbie question: If I use a preset and make some minor changes (in a soft synth or FX) and saves the project, is the changes saved as well?
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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/19 13:10:57 (permalink)
    yes, the changes you make on any parameter of a synth or FX are saved with the project.

    the NEXT project, however, will not have those changes.  if you want those changes to be saved as a preset to be called up for the next project, then use the name field window and the little disk icon in the top of the window of the plugin (when running in sonar) to save as a new file preset name.

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/19 13:27:15 (permalink)
    question...  I have a bunch of presets I saved inside each synth... i plan on moving to a new computer... is there anyway to backup all the synth presets so they transfer to the new computer?

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/19 13:38:54 (permalink)
    Presets should be backed up in a configuration file.  Find the file and you should be able to drag it to a flash drive to use in on another computer.  But then again you can just save the session and open it on the new computer,  the settings will be saved as well.

    I usually start with a blank slate on my plugins. But since I work on location recording classical music, sometimes presets are usefull for duplicating multiple sessions using identical setups and instruments.  For instance, I recently recorded a pianist on four different dates, in the same room, with the same miking setup.  I created a preset from the first session on the EQ and the reverb and used that for a subsequent sessions to obtain an identical sound.   I will say, unless you are working with familiar and predictable source material, preset are never reliable without tweaking. 

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    Re:Is it OKAY to use presets? 2013/01/19 16:29:19 (permalink)
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    question...  I have a bunch of presets I saved inside each synth... i plan on moving to a new computer... is there anyway to backup all the synth presets so they transfer to the new computer?

    It depends on how you are saving the presets.  There are up to 3 different ways.  1) A lot of synths will have their own preset file organization - this is the best for portability. You just have to find out what folder the presets are in - that's sometimes the hard part.  Back that folder up and put contents on the new system.  2) There is the Sonar preset which is always in the upper right of the plug-in.  To me, this is the fastest way of sharing presets from project to project, but in terms of portability to another system - no - it is tricky  and 3) VST's also have the VST preset method which is yet another way of storing and revrieving presets.  For portability - stay with method #1
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