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Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
I'm just starting to dive deep into all the soft synth sounds. I'm just a dumb guitar player and the amount of sounds that came with my 8.5 PE is a bit daunting. Can anyone recommend a good Deep Purple organ sound and a good widdly Lucky Man sound? I've been using my JV-1010's PUPRLE SPIN and YOU AND LUCK for years and I'm sure there has to be comparable sounds in Dimension Pro, Dropzone, TTS, etc.
Can anyone recommend a good starting point (outside of the obvious "organ" recommendation)?
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/12 16:06:14
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Rapt (I think, it might be DimPro) has a "Jimmy" preset in organs (again, I believe) that is most credible.
Lucky man is one of the first minimoog sounds that made the mainstream. Mine came w/ a sheet to replicate that sound. I have no idea where it is. I bet a copy is around the internet - google. But it should be easy to replicate. Two saw waves (I'd try first), short VCA attack, long VCF attck and depth, plenty of filter resonance (but not sefl resonating) and glissando. As w/ all synth programming, a lot depends upon how you play, esp. w/ the filter movement making up so much of the sound.
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/12 18:20:16
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I saw the "Jimmy" patch in the Dim Pro Expansion section. I mixed a few with the "Keith" setting and I'm getting it closer.
I'm going to try to create the Lucky sound tomorrow.
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/12 18:57:08
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AT has you covered on the Lucky Man sound. As for the Deep Purple sound, I do basically what Jon did. Run the organ through an amp. I'll start with a basic organ patch, and insert an amp sim in the FX bin. A preset with a thicker sound seems most effective. Some of the thinner presets intended for lead not so much. Some examples: This one is really dirty, maybe more than you are looking for. http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=5915248 Nice and fat, with plenty of overdrive, but not quite as dirty as Moonlight. http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=7528228 This one is experimental, and kind of out there. It is barely recognizable as an organ, and relies heavily on the amp sim. http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=7528228 None of these is an attempt to replicate the DP sound, but maybe it gives you some ideas.
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/12 20:57:53
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Those certainly sound pretty beefy. I like the grit added to the chunk.
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/12 23:25:40
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It's a good tip to look at how the original sounds were made - check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mW9b_KRedQ Also some of Jon Lords most distinctive sounds were as a result of layering a hammond B3 and RMI electra piano and passing it trough a marshal amp. I have played around with Kontakt and Amplitube to get that sort of effect. You could do it with a couple of instances if Dim Pro and route it through your amp sim. You will need to set up a bus so both instances go into the amp. For Lucky Man, what AT said, but portamento, not glissando (says he, pedantically, but there is a difference). On the original track, if I recall correctly the portamento rate is not constant. Depending on the synth you could probably change the rate using automation.
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/13 00:55:13
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Glyn,
you say portamento, I say potato. ;-)
And of course an amp sim can have a great effect on the sound. Sometimes too much, since they all seem to be " guitar amps." Where's the damn leslie and whirling hall of knives? Guitar sims (the full ones you get in Producer) can add some nice faux air.
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/13 02:08:34
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AT
Where's the damn leslie and whirling hall of knives?
For clean and slightly driven sounds this is nice http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/LX122.html GSi's VB3 is probably still the best at emulating a distorted rock Leslie sound.
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/14 11:08:34
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/14 12:55:00
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Good catch, Francesco. I listened to Lucky Man this weekend and it certainly sounded smoother than I remembered. Any of your moog waves you'd recommend for it?
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/01/14 15:58:36
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Hi AT, no nothing in particular, I think that the stock square waves are enough. Here's a very quick attempt for Rapture. It's not a clone, just relying on memory and personal taste - two square waves, slightly detuned - set to multi just to get some additional fatness (I know, this is cheating  ... ) - generous amount of portamento - quick amp attack - but not zero in order to avoid clicks and help the portamento itself - LP4 filter almost completely open, good amount of resonance in order to add some air - very light amount of tube distortion before the filter - hall reverb https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3980034/rapture_lucky_man.prog hope you like it Ciao Francesco
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/02/02 18:05:26
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I want to check that one out Francesco but I can't find my preset folder to place it in.
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/02/02 18:35:44
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my preset folder is C:\ProgramData\Cakewalk\Rapture\Programs anyway, if you just want to try it you can save it anywhere and load it with the Load Program command
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/02/02 18:58:01
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FYI C:\ProgramData is a hidden directory
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/02/02 21:28:43
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/02/04 21:05:10
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Very cool Moog sound. Thanks Francesco!!!
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/02/07 03:19:04
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Re:Deep Purple and Lucky Man Sounds?
2013/02/07 15:09:47
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It's not a clone, just relying on memory and personal taste Well, Francesco, you came pretty darn close. I just played the outro from Lucky Man (also from memory, and using your preset). I think that a *lot* of people might believe that it was from the original Moog. I added one more control for the 'requisite' downward sweep of the LP4 filter. Quick thought on loading up the isolated preset here & there. The fastest way is to use drag & drop. I tend to have Rapture open first (maybe the Microhost), download the .prog file, then immediately drag it over to Rapture and drop it in. Instant gratification. If you're hunting for the (often changing) file locations, clicking on Rapture's folder/file icon and "Browse Programs ..." gets you to the current location. It also gives me an idea of where I want to permanently put the preset for a "Save As ..." operation. In this case, that was Francesco - Miscellaneous. 
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