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2013/01/14 14:51:19 (permalink)

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My first attempt at a fully scripted music vid. All scenes are acted. All sounds were added.

Music is by John Burgess (Blipp) who remixed and updated the track it for this video.

We hope you like it. 
 
(EDIT - due to some valuable feedback from some folks here and elsewhere, I have decided to make some changes to the pacing and story telling. I got some fabulous new footage, and think I can take this vid to the next level. Stand By... I will be back in a few days.)
 
Cheers
Shad
post edited by foxwolfen - 2013/01/16 23:09:48

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    MannyNY
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/14 15:04:32 (permalink)
    Ha - very cool. Moody little piece - piano is perfect - repetitive but right for the imagery. Only crit - the guys hoody is not visible in opening scenes then it  suddenly appears - only noteworthy if it is supposed to look like a single scene. Overall vibe is pretty dismal but with a title of Lost Hope , I have to assume you wanted that.  Enjoyed it.
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/14 15:12:37 (permalink)
    Very very nice. The music fits the visual beautifully. Nice work both of you.
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/14 16:31:16 (permalink)
    This was not what I expected, I expected more of an electronica thing? This was more introspective and somber. It's cold and Tony Stark... And ends at a hospital? A metaphor? 
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/14 16:47:08 (permalink)
    Good videography and editing, and John's music suited it to a tee.
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/14 22:35:37 (permalink)
    Wow -- great stuff!  The video is really well done and the story it tells kind of sneeks up on you.  The ending was a surprise to me.  John's music really was hand-in-glove with the visuals and the two worked together beautifully.  Where was this filmed?  Looks like it might have been southern Ontario (maybe?).  At least that is how I remember it looking the cold of winter.
    Excellent job.
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/14 22:42:45 (permalink)

    That was a long slow walk ! Love those piano sounds , fit right in with the video .
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/15 11:10:36 (permalink)
    Thanks for watching guys. There are a few continuity problems like the hood. Unfortunately I did not notice them until after I got back from shooting, and with our local weather being so variable right now, I cannot get replacement shots that match.

    A scientist knows more & more about less & less till he knows everything about nothing, while a philosopher knows less & less about more & more till he knows nothing about everything.

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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/15 12:31:22 (permalink)
    You are full of surprises.  I love the way the music and video go together, and the story comes together at the end so well.  It is quite poignant, so I'm glad it ends sooner than later.  This is why I love this forum;  so much talent here.

    All the best,
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/15 13:11:33 (permalink)
    Superb collaboration, almost makes me smile to think of the varying talents that comes together here. I say 'almost' 'cos the vid really depressed me.

     
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/15 15:19:30 (permalink)
    Great work Shad & John... I 'd love to know something about what tools you're using here Shad...  
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/15 18:41:38 (permalink)
    Shad,
     
    Nice job on the video, music suits it well.  Well done.
    Regards
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/15 23:16:21 (permalink)
    Lynn - "full of surprises" are perhaps the nicest words ever spoken to me. Being predictable is boring.  For me this is a moment of "putting my money where my mouth is", not from a directorial point of view, but technical. It is also the first steps in realizing a life long dream. Every song I have ever liked in my life has a short movie associated with it in my head. I have a long road ahead learning and making something out of it, but I intend for this to be what makes my rent, not working at a bagel shop. That job is killing me. Even if I have to do weddings... I do not care...
     
    James - truth be told, I am not very confident about this stuff. An hour after upload, I had to resist a nearly overwhelming urge to take it down. That urge lasted until this morning when I just said to myself "it is what it is". So, hearing that it left you feeling a bit down was music to my ears (I hope that doesn't sound mean). If it failed in that, then I failed. The other things.. continuity, pacing... those are details... I feel the crux of story telling is achieving the desired emotion.
     
    Frank - What John used for the song I cannot say. It never occurred to me to ask. He is like me though, in that he uses a variety of real, electronic and synthetic instruments with Project 5 and/or Sonar.
     
    The tools I used were a big red camera body with a Matsu****a computer core with Leica lenses, with a merlin steady cam platform with onboard 8" secondary monitor. I used a fostex field recorder with dual AT Cardiod condensers, and an external time synch clock. It was shot in RAW and converted with my AVID Media Composer Hardware IO/codex NLE.
     
    Bahahahaha... in my dreams. I recently bought a consumer level full HD (1920x1080 60i) camera. It has the distinction of having Carl Zeiss optics and a very good (though small) backlit sensor (fabulous low light ability and a full frame shutter).
     
    I could not actually afford it, so I am taking  a bit of a risk. Worse yet, I am on a "upgrade path" to the kind of camera I need to achieve my goals within the year... even if I don't eat (A Canon 35mm sensor size HDSLR - tv shows like House are being filmed with it, and the body is only a couple grand). But.. I have to. I have to pursue this dream once and for all. This is all I have ever wanted to do. The time of hesitating is over. Sink or swim.
     
    The video production is the same as I used for the other vids. My very outdated Avid software. It does do HD including colorspace as of the last update three years ago, but it is not multi threaded so it only ever uses one core... so it painfully slow to edit, and uses huge amounts of memory and disk space (4 minutes of uncompressed raw HD video is about 40gigs in size). It brings the system to its knees IO wise. Poor thing is going to have a heart attack and die I fear.
     
    I did not bother to adjust the color on this, or the white balance as it was going to be grayscaled and that information is not relavent. Sadly the Avid filters are rather poor for black and white, so I did it in the "mastering tool" I use which is VirtualDub... it does little but fix and tune avi files (the video equivalent of a wav) and convert the raw stream to mp4x264 avi encoding for full quality uploads (the resulting four minute file was 635 meg - HD is about 10 times the resolution of SD, thus the massive file size. Also the avi container holds an uncompressed audio track, so it is full resolution 48khz).
     
    Sadly the camera shoots in m2ts (Blu Ray) which I cannot natively edit, so it has to be converted twice (once to get it into the avid, and once again on the raw edit output).  Only a few modern NLEs currently support native editing of that stream. The avid is showing its age. The speed is painful. Depending on filter load, a "mix down" (render) can take 8 or 9 hours. Its all software driven, little of it really well optimized. But... it is quality. Paid for with a price tag of time.
     
    Whew... wrote a lot... sorry. (Danny must be rubbing of on me )
     
    Thanks Mark.
    post edited by foxwolfen - 2013/01/16 00:19:05

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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/15 23:29:57 (permalink)
    Thanks for the detailed response Shad... you really had me going there at first...
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/16 00:25:17 (permalink)
    No problem. One day I will have that stuff though I have no idea if mitshuti or what ever I wrote makes camera computers, nor do I know if leica lenses fit on big red bodies, or if there is such a thng as a big red camera . I do need the fostex, and that might be the next step, though I am thinking of jury rigging something up with the FTP and a laptop for that.

    For the record. This is a work of fiction, and any resemblance to any persons living, dead, or imaginary is purly coincidental.

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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/16 00:28:44 (permalink)
    You're an artist... Artists are often misunderstood.

    "TRUST ME!" I understand...
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/16 00:41:56 (permalink)
    Very nice guys. Really well produced video with fantastic music.
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/16 01:59:55 (permalink)
    Thanks Mark, and for the comments on Youtube. Much appreciated. Robby... I do not know if you are mocking me or paying me some sort of backhanded compliment, or both. I am taking it as a compliment.

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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/16 02:53:38 (permalink)
    Hey Shad and John,
     
    Excellent work on this cool and interesting video!  Wonderful job meshing the very emotional music and B&W video shots together to set the somber mood and tell "the tale".
     
    Nice job, guys!
    Bob
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/16 04:01:47 (permalink)
    Big thanks to everyone for their positive comments. Much appreciated. The majority of the praise for this should go to Shad as he's done an incredible job and went way-beyond the call of duty in producing this, especially when it's his first video of this nature. All i had to do was remix a seven year old track. I too had concerns over the subject matter at first, but this is the real world we live in and art reflects all aspects of it, and this is a piece of art after all, and a damn fine video. Thanks again Shad.
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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/16 08:12:33 (permalink)
    Great job on this project. The music fit the video well.

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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/16 23:07:27 (permalink)
    Thanks for watching guys... stand by for a new version...

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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess (Blipp) 2013/01/16 23:43:02 (permalink)
    looking forward to the re-release

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