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Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
This is from Wavesfactory, famous for small, inexpensive but useful Kontakt sample libraries. I have several of them myself and will likely add this one as well (it's only $13). It's called " Classic Rock Drums", and it's a kit once played onstage by Bonzo himself. It doesn't get any more authentic than that! And if you're into an earlier 60's Ringo-vibe, be sure to also check out the Tea Towel Drum kit while you're there. Also 10 euros ($13.62). Just throw on some heavy compression for the overheads and you're in 1965.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/15 19:22:00
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$13.62 to be exact. I'll give it a try at that price.
Thanks Bit.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/15 23:10:40
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I think you'll like this kit, guys. As I posted earlier, I just dropped it into a rock mix I've been working on. Started with a mixture of various SD2 kits, but couldn't quite get the snare and tom sounds I wanted. This new kit fixed me right up ... a bit of EQ and I've got the drums I was looking for. Kept the kick and cymbals I was using, but the new snare has that classic 70s dry thwack and the toms are nice and tight.
The kick sound was too boomy for this particular track, but it'll have its place. Bonham would be happy.
I was less thrilled with the cymbals, but that's one area where SD2 shines (specifically the Music City SDX). Anyway, this new WavesFactory offering is a no-brainer for sure! All Kontakt users should certainly check it out.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/17 09:15:33
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This is from Wavesfactory, famous for inexpensive but high-quality Kontakt sample libraries. I have several of them myself and will likely add this one as well (it's only $13). It's called "Classic Rock Drums", and it's a kit once played onstage by Bonzo himself. It doesn't get any more authentic than that!
Bit This is the right price all right.....I am just having difficulty getting them to download..... I also like Lyrical Distortion for "Some" of their libraries.....most are $19.00 and of them some sound really good while others.....well..........and then they ave a couple for $199.00 which do sound nice but are out of my justifiable price range........ Clifford
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/17 10:07:31
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I've got all the Lyrical Distortion libs. Hard to resist for $19 (they've been on sale in the past for, IIRC, $10). Some of them are flawed (fret buzzes, out-of-tune notes and stuck notes) but they're cheap and they sound pretty good. Ripper Amped is the one I've found the most use for (miked from a Mesa Boogie, so no amp sim required - just one tone but it's a good one). As long as we're on the subject of cheap Kontakt libraries we might as well mention Sampletekk here, just in case there's anyone who doesn't know about them already. They specialize in pianos and have regular half-price sales. Most of my pianos are from Sampletekk and none cost more than $25. Another favorite source of inexpensive libraries is Indiginous. There are several useable libs there for $5. Check out the new Solid State Symphony for 40 bucks. And for those looking for more electric guitar sources, Torch is a cheap ($40) alternative to fancier libraries such as OTS EEG.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/17 10:21:53
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Hi Bit
I would like to just add a couple more cheap places:-
Hollow Sun
Hideaway Studio
Sampleism (all sorts of weird stuff from total rubbish to really funky stuff)
Precision Sound
Rythmic Robot
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/17 12:38:29
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bitflipper
This is from Wavesfactory, famous for small, inexpensive but useful Kontakt sample libraries. I have several of them myself and will likely add this one as well (it's only $13). It's called "Classic Rock Drums", and it's a kit once played onstage by Bonzo himself. It doesn't get any more authentic than that!
Dave, this was posted HERE and I said there that I thought the toms were boomy. But upon second listen I like them and so I bought them (uhhhh DUH!!!). The .nkm provided needs to be setup properly. It's setup to be multiple outs but all kit pieces are routed to a single out.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/17 13:46:34
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Everyone
Thanks for the input......right now I am looking for good quality Guitar Libs.....inexpensive as possible with out getting cheap......
I need a High quality Classical guitar, A good rock guitar (both distorted and clean and maybe even like a Les Paul and a strat) and one GOOD Bass lib.....
Preferably all for Kontakt.......but not essential.....
the Wavefactory I am having trouble getting a download to....so it may not be a go there but I will check out all the others listed here......
Thank you guys...
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/17 14:34:09
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Clifford, if you haven't explored the libs in Dim Pro already, you might find some stuff in there that you like, particularly guitar and bass sounds.
Failing that, I second Bit's recommendation for Indiginus -- very good value.
Back to the original topic, the WF Classic Rock drums are still sounding good to me. I'm getting some funkyness in the crash cymbals, and the miking is a little weird (I'm getting LOTS of bleed) but other than that they're quite usable. A plus for this set, being in Kontakt, is that I can use NI's fx such as Transient Master, which I find easier to dial in than the Sonalksis equivalent in SD2.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/17 15:20:47
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Eddie
Thanks for the reminder of the Dim Pro Lib.
I have not checked every single patch out so I will have to do that.
But I have been Listening to both Lyrical Distortion and the Indiginus Libraries this afternoon. I have to say that I really like the sound of them both. I think what I like of them over the Dim Pro patches is the differrent layers and articulations that can be had. Not something you find in the Dim Pro lib,.... but I will explore tonite when I get home.......
And I promised my self that I would not spend a penny more on PayPal after the holidays!
Like that is going to happen.
Thanks
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/17 20:51:59
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I thought the toms were boomy.
I thought so, too. Especially the floor tom. But that's kind of the concept, I think. I bet nobody told Bonham his toms were too boomy.
The .nkm provided needs to be setup properly.
I think I've modified most if not all of the instruments/multis I've gotten from him. I presume Kontakt isn't really his forte. Maybe you could send him your corrected nkm and negotiate some kind of trade for it. (If that really works for you, let me know!)
Clifford:if by "classical" guitar you mean nylon, check out the one from Ilya Efimov. It's quite good. Not super cheap, but not awfully expensive either; 99 euros, I think. It's Kontakt.
For bass, the new Rickenbacker from NI is getting good reviews, although I'm holding out to see what GregJazz (Orange Tree Samples) comes up with. He currently offers three bass libraries (an acoustic and two electrics) and they're all extraordinary.
(Jeez, what's up with these random fonts I keep getting? Sometimes consecutive sentences are getting formatted into different fonts and/or sizes. This forum software sucks, in case no one's noticed yet ;)
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/18 08:13:19
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Clifford:if by "classical" guitar you mean nylon, check out the one from Ilya Efimov. It's quite good. Not super cheap, but not awfully expensive either; 99 euros, I think. It's Kontakt.
For bass, the new Rickenbacker from NI is getting good reviews, although I'm holding out to see what GregJazz (Orange Tree Samples) comes up with. He currently offers three bass libraries (an acoustic and two electrics) and they're all extraordinary.
Bit
Yes, by classical I do mean Nylon string instrument...........My degrees are in "Classical" Guitar so naturally I gravatate to that......Since I got paid this morning the Lyric Distortion Cedar Guitar, Ripper Direct and the Jazz bass are now MINE! Yippie..............but I will check out the Ilya Efimov site as you suggest....
Thanks so much for the info
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/18 08:28:46
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But I have been Listening to both Lyrical Distortion and the Indiginus Libraries this afternoon. I have to say that I really like the sound of them both. !
Its as much about the control as the sound. The big difference between Indiginus and Lyrical Distortion is Indiginus has a strum engine which makes it a lot easier to get a convincing playing style. I prefer to strum manually using the Strum Master Live function to using the built in strum sequencer. Orange Tree has some of the best guitar libraries but they are considerably more expensive. Music Lab's "Real" Strat, Les Paul and Acoustic are also very good, but not cheap. For distorted sounds I prefer to put a clean sound through an amp sim rather that use distorted samples.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/18 08:37:03
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bitflipper
This is from Wavesfactory, famous for small, inexpensive but useful Kontakt sample libraries. I have several of them myself and will likely add this one as well (it's only $13). It's called "Classic Rock Drums", and it's a kit once played onstage by Bonzo himself. It doesn't get any more authentic than that!
And if you're into an earlier 60's Ringo-vibe, be sure to also check out the Tea Towel Drum kit while you're there. Also 10 euros ($13.62). Just throw on some heavy compression for the overheads and you're in 1965.
I like there stuff and you can't fault the prices. But I have just ordered a new DAW so I won't be jumping on this one straight away.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/18 15:06:22
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Truckermusic
But I have been Listening to both Lyrical Distortion and the Indiginus Libraries this afternoon. I have to say that I really like the sound of them both. !
Its as much about the control as the sound. The big difference between Indiginus and Lyrical Distortion is Indiginus has a strum engine which makes it a lot easier to get a convincing playing style. I prefer to strum manually using the Strum Master Live function to using the built in strum sequencer.
Orange Tree has some of the best guitar libraries but they are considerably more expensive. Music Lab's "Real" Strat, Les Paul and Acoustic are also very good, but not cheap.
For distorted sounds I prefer to put a clean sound through an amp sim rather that use distorted samples.
I absoulutely agree about it being about control. I tried to say that to Eddie about the Dimpro samples but I guess I was not clear enough. The DimPro samples do sound good but they are limited.....but are very useable..... I did not know that about the strum Master Live function...I really do like the Indiginus Lib....for their acoustic guitar sound much better so I will have to try that Live function....I think it could be of great value.... I agree with the Orange Tree Libs....as well...nice but at a cost....but I have seen them on sale before so they can be had cheaper if one is willing to wait for the sale..... I have not tried the others so I have no take on them..... But thank you for your thoughts on everything.....well worth considering...... Too bit. Sorry about hijacking the thread......did not mean too .... really.....but I am now just realizing that I truley do need some guitar (bass, and 6 string) additions......and everyone here has been kind enough to offer additional suggestions...... But I still apoligize a thousand times sir...... Clifford
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/18 23:11:39
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No apology needed. That's the nature of any good conversation: you never know what direction it might take.
Regarding libraries with limited applications...I have a boatload of libraries that are very limited in their scope and versatility - but I actually use them regularly.
I have, for example, Wavesfactory's StrumGTR Acoustic. It's just a collection of basic strums: major and minor chords, up- and down-strokes. That's it. It only works in medium-tempo songs that don't have any suspended chords or finger-picking. But when it works, it works just fine. I can throw in some acoustic guitar rhythm in less time than it takes to get out a microphone and tune my acoustic guitar. For $13 it was a nice addition to my collection.
I've also bought individual drum samples. For example, I have a really nice snare drum that's perfect for a certain type of song but not much else. I think I paid $4 for it. It'll never be my go-to snare drum, but sometimes it's the perfect fit.
I have a bunch of other one-trick ponies. A carillion - talk about limited applications! Love it, though. A glass marimba - still haven't found a use but it sounds cool. Toy pianos, wine glasses, kitchen utensils, dumpster sounds, backward guitars, and lots of spacey pads.
Don't write off a sound source just because it's limited!
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/18 23:52:48
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I have, for example, Wavesfactory's StrumGTR Acoustic. It's just a collection of basic strums: major and minor chords, up- and down-strokes. That's it. It only works in medium-tempo songs that don't have any suspended chords or finger-picking. But when it works, it works just fine. !
A big plus +1 for StrumGTR Acoustic, limited for sure but very useful in the right context.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/19 08:29:37
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I've got Jim R's fantastic kit Purrfect Drums Jet City kit for Kontakt and it's fantastic. I've got the Ocean Way stuff that uses the infinite player. It's so good that I only installed half of them. I quickly figured out that I wanted to use the drums rather than select the drums and so I have never actually installed over half the Ocean Way drums I purchased and I haven't had a day where I thought I should bother. Managing sample library assets is way to much work compared to making music. Now that Kontakt has some good drums kits I'd probably never use the Ocean Way stuff I bought if I had what comes with Kontakt now, then. best regards, mike
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/22 08:52:49
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No apology needed. That's the nature of any good conversation: you never know what direction it might take.
Bit
thanks....and yes you are correct. with any good conversation comes additional idea's...
Now for a really stupid quesiton and it is a bit off topic as well......but I thought I already knew the answer......But NO! DUH!
This is my first time I've tried to install a 3rd party Library into Kontakt....I have a seperate drive for my libraries so I knew that I would need to take the unzipped Lyric Distortion file and manually copy it into my Kontakt library file. Which I did.....I already know that I cannot directly call it up like other KOntakt libraries. I need to use my file tree to locate it and then drag it over (or dbl click)......
and this is where it does not work for me. I see the Lyric Dist. file but when I click on it to open I do not see anything listed so there is nothing to drag and drop....
I know that I am doing something wrong.....I was hoping you ( or someone else more knowledgeable then myself) could help me out please.
Thanks
Clifford
(again off topic, but maybe this could help others as well)
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/22 09:48:23
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I do recall that the Lyrical Distortion install was a bit messy, perhaps compounded by the fact that I bought every one of them at once.
Installing libraries that aren't blessed by Native Instruments consists of simply copying files and folders, and making sure the samples are where the instrument definition file expects them to be. Sometimes, you'll get libraries from amateur library creators who mistakenly define their instruments with absolute paths to their samples, in which case you have to redefine the instruments yourself. I don't recall LD being that complicated, though.
What you want to end up with is a folder for each instrument. Within that folder you'll have one or more .nki files and a subdirectory containing the samples. So, for example, one of the instruments is called "Ripper - Direct". I have a folder called "Ripper - Direct". It contains "Ripper - Direct.nki", the instrument definition file, and a sub-folder called "Ripper - Direct Samples".
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2013/01/22 10:37:47
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Ok...I can understand that...and for the most part that is what I did (use seperate folders inside my Knotakt library folder) ....but I think I grouped the .nki file and the samples all together in one folder and that is more than likely where my isssue is......I will try and fix it when I get home tonite and let you know....
Thank you kind sir!
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/23 13:12:03
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Just move the .nk* files to the folder above the samples and they should be fine. The alternative is to bring up the nki and use the "find missing samples" dialog to steer it to the correct location, and then re-save the nki.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/23 16:36:23
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Does anyone know if any of these 3rd party libraries work with the free version of Kontakt or do you need to be running the full version?
I thought I read somewhere that for expansion packs you need the full version.
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Re:Authentic-sounding classic rock drum kit for full Kontakt
2013/01/23 16:38:52
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OK well I just read that the classic drums Bit linked to requires the full version.
Oh well.
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