More than 8 inputs?

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2013/01/18 19:12:31 (permalink)

More than 8 inputs?

Can anyone suggest a USB interface with more than 8 line level TRS inputs that doesn't rely on an additional unit with ADAT or similar?
 
Ideally with a couple of mic pres (or failing that more TRS so mic pres can be added) and good, low latency as well.

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/18 23:42:33 (permalink)
     
    post edited by soens - 2013/01/18 23:45:10
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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 09:55:59 (permalink)
    you could cascade 2 roland octa-capture which would give you 18 IN channels ( 2x 8 XLR (mic pre) / TRS plus 1x (stereo) SPDIF ). these interfaces are good quality. i use 1 octa-capture to extend my vs-700r. what i particulary like about the octa-capture are the special features it comes with (4x hardware mixes possible, input auto-sens)

    however, not having the option to connect an ADAT interface is the biggest drawback of the octa-capture.

    how come you want to deliberately exclude ADAT options?



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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 10:32:17 (permalink)
    MOTU Ultralite Hybrid MK3.

    8 analog in, 8 analog out
    runs on USB or Firewire
    2 mic pres
     
    ah - but you said "MORE THAN"  sorry.
     
    I can't think of any off of the top of my head with more than 8 on a single unit.  but there are several which can be chained together using USB or Firewire now instead of going thru ADAT.  the motu unit above will do that.  the roland octacaptures will, too.
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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 11:58:29 (permalink)
    I was about to say similar, but I think he wants only one unit with more than 8 inputs. And he wants them to be TRS, which could also be combo XLR/TRS I suppose.

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 12:04:24 (permalink)
    Yep - I see that, Steve, I was correcting my post at the same time you posted.

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 13:27:33 (permalink)
    I found the Tascam US-1800 and US2000. Sweetwater sells the 1800 for $199!!!
    Be aware of the cons.
    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul10/articles/tascamus2000.htm
    If you have a lot more money to spend, there are many professional options.

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 14:14:05 (permalink)
    A bit of explanation...

    At present I have a bunch of hardware synths connected to a Mackie mixer which in turn feeds two pairs of UA-101 line ins, plus one UA-101 in/out pair acting as an aux bus for an external fx unit I sometimes use on anything from one track to a complete mix.
     
    Ideally I'd like to remove the mixer and the fx unit on the Mackie's aux bus which provides a basic delay and reverb and connect everything direct to the interface then monitor via Sonar, thereby making vst effects available while tracking (if I can get latency low enough).

    My comment about ADAT isn't because of any prejudices or desire to avoid ADAT in principle, simply that ideally I'd like to only have one box to power rather than two, thereby saving space and power sockets.

    To be honest I'm not 100% commited to removing the mixer etc., because there are issues with direct monitoring just as their are (different) issues with my current setup.

    Thanks for the suggestions - I've been considering the MOTU unit + one one of their preamp units and ADATing them together. I'd not spotted that Tascam make interfaces with that many ins/outs though.

    Time to do some more thinking........

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 14:34:16 (permalink)
    personally I would not recommend the tascam unit - I wouldn't buy one for 1/2 that price.  tascams drivers are not "rock solid" and it's hit or miss if they work with your system or not.

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 15:54:53 (permalink)
    Ya, I'd stay away from the Tascam stuff. Pretty tough to find a single interface with more than 8 analog inputs. You generally have to expand from there. I'm in the same boat as you with two 24 ch. analog mixers pretty much patched full of outboard synths 'n stuff. When you compile a lot a gear and want it all plugged in and ready to go at any time, you pretty much need a mixer to augment your audio interface(s)...or a patchbay. I'd rather use a mixer. I don't want to patch anything!
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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 19:23:07 (permalink)
    Tascam Drivers-- Sorry but your info is outdated. The new drivers are way better and a Tascam will out perform many of the interfaces that get recommended here. The drivers were bad under XP so people are still thinking of those days.
     If you don't own one, or have ever used one please don't review one.  At the price point you pay it gives you 16 inputs. Nothing else comes even close. 
    There are definitely units with better RTL but the price will triple. The OP is looking for low latency so should pass over the us1800 as the RTL will be to high for him... most units in the lower price range are the same.  


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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 20:20:58 (permalink)
    My info is based on helping people on the forum.  there are still many people who have problems with the tascam drivers, even if you only count that they need high latency to operate!  high latency is due to the DRIVERS!  only a small portion of the hardware affects the speed of the drivers.

    I like you, Johnny, but I think I've earned the right to recommend whatever I want without your approval and without actually owning one because of the help I've given to people on the forums over the years.

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 21:24:41 (permalink)
    I would consider a digital mixer. Some give you 8 channels IO over USB with 16 input channels or more. If the routing is flexible enough, you can still use all of your gear. You just cannot route everything separately through your DAW. You can have low latency, excellent fidelity and flexibility.
    Also, I am not sure how much latency will hurt you. The DAW can compensate as long as you are not trying to listen to an instrument processed by your DAW while you are playing it , e.g. you are playing a keyboard, and you want to digitize the analog output, run it through the DAW to add effects and listen to the output while playing. Many VST (or other) effects have such a long processing delay that the delays in the interface and the driver don't even make a difference.  
    I have I MOTU UltraLite mk3, and I like it a lot. The CueMix makes it super flexible. You can daisy-chain units, but I have never tried it.

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/19 22:58:36 (permalink)
    Hey Beag not offence intended especially to you as I have a lot of respect as your help here is monumental. But my point is the complaints about tascam drivers are over, There was defiantly big issues under XP, Me included, I stopped using it as I could not even run soft synths and MIDI would not work. 
    I cannot speak for all, but I have read almost every thread here that pertains to the Tascam interfaces, and on Gear slutz too. I never read one that was a issue with Windows 7 64bit drivers. Any issues are with XP 32 and Vista 32. The Vista driver were particularly bad. 
    My conclusion is the W7 drivers are now average and about par for the course with any interface under $300. 
    But, you need to consider that the best use for these interfaces is the 16 inputs for live recording of audio. In this respect the us 1641 and the newer us 1800 is a phenomenal unit. Nothing comes close for that price. The units are made out of steal and not plastic. The features are all top notch too. The pre amps are better than most. 

    The drivers are not a problem, I never have issues. Sure my round trip latency is between 10 to 12 ms but so are lots of usb interfaces. Especially under $300. So to say the drivers are crap needs a recap, Yes XP and Vista drivers are crap, W7 64 bit are "fine" not the best in the world, buy an RME if you want perfect. 

    Hope this makes you change your mind about bad mouthing tascam , Your welcome to bad mouth Behringer I'll back you on that ha ha.. 
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    OP sorry for ranting in your thread  and don't buy a Tascam us 1800 if you want excellent drivers, but if you'll settle for average then you have nothing to loose.  


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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/20 08:00:07 (permalink)
    I like behringer! 

    at least for some things.  I have near fields by behringer and a couple of other pieces.  some things they make are crap, tho. 

    I agree with you that tascam is better than it used to be.  but I will still not recommend them because there are better alternatives out there with better drivers.

    and just for the record, I have read at least a couple of 1800/2000 posts on here where they ended up taking them back because they couldn't get them to work without very high latency (70msec round trip!).  I don't know if I could find them again, but I know they're there.

    if you don't care about latency, the unit is very cheap for a lot of inputs.  <== maybe I can live with that kind of recommendation.

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/20 14:37:31 (permalink)
    Lynx USB.  8 or 16 in/outs.  Of course, $2000 or $3000.

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/21 12:31:33 (permalink)
    Roland is showing off a brand new USB interface this month at NAMM.

    Roland Studio Capture.  16 analog inputs. Looks like an impressive unit on the surface.

    http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=studio-capture

    Hopefully it'll include updated preamps and conversion. If it's old technology in a bigger box, then it might not be such a great unit. 
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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/21 13:33:38 (permalink)
    Bonzos Ghost


    Roland is showing off a brand new USB interface this month at NAMM.

    Roland Studio Capture.  16 analog inputs. Looks like an impressive unit on the surface.

    http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=studio-capture

    Hopefully it'll include updated preamps and conversion. If it's old technology in a bigger box, then it might not be such a great unit. 

    The way it is advertised it appears to be an "oversized" Octa-Capture (12 XLR IN instead of 8, plus 4 TRS IN, 2 of which are optionally COAX). Features are pretty much the same as with the Octa-Capture (4 monitor mixes, auto-sens, VS EXPAND to link a second unit).
     
    So I don't think it's anything new other than (almost) 2 Octa-Captures in one box, but hopefully sold cheaper than 2 Octas.
     
    Not a bad unit, though, if you need the I/O channels ... I quite like the Octa-Capture ... still no ADAT connectivity which is a drawback ...

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/21 19:43:03 (permalink)
    Hm. The Studio Capture looks interesting - at least one UK retailer's listing it as a "pre order" price or around £800.

    FreeFLyBertl - out of interest, what kind of (stable) round trip latency does the Octacapture give you? I'm curious if it does a better job than its UA-101 ancestor - the minimum the 101 driver allows is (according to Sonar) 9ms @48KHz).

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/21 23:50:14 (permalink)
    Sorry to say Johnny but I own a tascam us 800 and when I changed from 32 bit computer to 64 bit computer running windows 7 , it keeps crashing my computer with the blue screen hardware error .... downloaded the newest drivers and still no help ... now I have a roland quad capture and have had no problems at all .... so I will have to say there still problems with the drivers ... some systems still won't work with tascam ... i''m new to alot of this recording hardware so I can't recommend anything but only tell what issues I have had ...
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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/22 10:31:17 (permalink)
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    Hm. The Studio Capture looks interesting - at least one UK retailer's listing it as a "pre order" price or around £800.

    FreeFLyBertl - out of interest, what kind of (stable) round trip latency does the Octacapture give you? I'm curious if it does a better job than its UA-101 ancestor - the minimum the 101 driver allows is (according to Sonar) 9ms @48KHz).

    tlw, have a look at this post of mine over in the VS-700 forum. it applies to both Octa-Capture and VS-700 roundtrip times
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2723796
     
     

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/22 15:01:12 (permalink)
    Hm. Looks similar to what the 101 achieves (the 101 doesn't give samples/buffer, just a slider).

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    Re:More than 8 inputs? 2013/01/23 13:26:25 (permalink)

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