X2 seems to have lasted a single playback

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2013/01/20 14:46:44 (permalink)

X2 seems to have lasted a single playback

I have been using Sonar 8.5 Producer on my Win 7 laptop, together with a TASCAM US-144mkII audio interface. I had tried X1 but the new interface had issues fitting into the laptop screen as well as an issue with midi notes not playing, so didn't use it. 

I now have a new laptop with better screen resolution and have upgraded to Sonar X2 and it's the only option as X1 and 8.5 aren't available for download, and between house move and a baby can't find the my 8.5 install CDs. Which is annoying as 8.5 worked, and people seem happy with X1.5 working too. 

So installed X2 and copied the projects I am working on over to the new laptop. I installed TASCAM drivers and started X2 up. Loaded one of the old projects and it played fine - had the same issue of dropped midi notes, but this time found some articles talking about MIDI buffers to solve the issue. So I found the options and reset the MIDI playback buffer size to 1024 and increased the number of MIDI buffers as well. 

I then did some VST registrations for 3rd party products, all of which worked fine on 8.5 and I have taken them out the VST folder so they can't be responsible for the symptoms. On one of these occasions the external sound card was removed but I have run the re-run the Profile Audio which has always solved this issue before.

And the symptoms are essentially are that it appears to playback fine. The (what I think) new Audio Engine item indicates is active and the cursor is scrolling happily along. But there is no volume going out from the wave files tracks - all the audio volume levels are showing nothing. The only track which is showing volume is the MIDI pattern in my Session Drummer 3 set of tracks. However the drum bus it payed through to shows nothing.

For projects I hadn't tried before the wave file images are all empty and marked as Record xx (Busy) - the path in the 'Associated Audio Files' option is correct and when I click 'Recompute Pictures' the image is not drawn.

I've been using Sonar Producer for 10 years now and never been stumped by a total failure like this. Any ideas?
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    karmadillo
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/20 14:56:13 (permalink)
    Oh, the new laptop is Windows 7 so there shouldn't be any Windows 8 style issues
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/20 15:38:23 (permalink)
    In your store account you should see down loads for all you CW purchases. I can with my account. Sonar 8.5 is listed and is down loadable.  

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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/20 15:57:31 (permalink)
    It's not downloadable for me - I guess it's because bought the boxed product :-(
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/20 16:10:29 (permalink)
    Actually Sonar X1 *is* available for download so will give that a whirl.  Would probably prefer 8.5 though for comforts sake.

    Interestingly the website says I've been using Sonar for 113 years ;-)
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/20 16:27:30 (permalink)
    Ah pooh, it's the Expanded Edition which is just a patch. I'll try to get hold of an earlier one via customer service I guess if a fix can't be found.
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/29 02:13:28 (permalink)
    OK - It has been over a week I haven't had a reply from technical support about this issue or customer support about trying to get an earlier version of Sonar and I'm stuck with the X2 software I do have not playing anything. Time to jump to Reaper.
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/29 02:29:10 (permalink)
    Right-click the SONAR icon and make sure to run as administrator. Verify your driver settings in Preferences, for example, the correct interface is selected, the correct mode, the Playback Timing Master points to the interface outs etc.
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/29 03:39:54 (permalink)
    I'd do a complete re-install.

    1) Completely un-install SONAR from your computer. This is normally done from Start | Programs | Cakewalk. This will not remove any of your project files or audio data.   

    2) Open the Run Command
    In Windows Vista and 7 this can be done by holding down the ‘windows’ key and pressing ‘r’   

    3) At the prompt type regedit and click OK.  

     ***Backup your Registry before making edits - you do this by clicking the File menu, Export Registry File.   ***
     
    4) Now delete the following Registry keys:  
     HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2   

    NOTE  that this will remove any effects presets and key bindings you may have made in Cakewalk. You can back these up separately if you like, using Options|Key Bindings, Tools|SONAR Plug-in Manager, and Options|Colors. Hit F1 in these views for detailed instructions on how to do this.  

    5) Open the 'Run' command again.  

    6) Copy and paste the following into the prompt:   %appdata%\Cakewalk   

    7) This will open your Cakewalk Application Data folder, right-click on the SONAR folder and choose rename.  
    8) Rename this folder SONAR X2 Backup. 

    9) Open the 'Run' command again and type msconfig Click OK and then click on the Startup tab at the upper right of the window that opens. 

    10) Uncheck all items listed, click OK, then restart your computer. You can always recheck those items again at a later time. 

    11) Then reinstall SONAR. Make sure to have any virus scanners disabled on installation. It is not required or recommended to turn off any windows services.  



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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/29 06:47:05 (permalink)
    To the original poster:

    Please understand that whatever is happening is caused by some local condition on your computer or with the installation, as there would be scads of folks complaining about this kind of issue, if it were anything else but that.

    So, for anybody here in the forum to be able to help you, and we collectively do a lot of assisting folks who are trying to install and configure, we need to know more information about your setup - meaning your computer specs as well as your interface, and the settings you are using both in Sonar and for the interface.

    So, with that in mind, please provide the following information:

    1.  Please list your system specifications - you can look at the bottom of my post or anybody else's who posts their specs in their forum profile's 'signature', for an example.  We need to know the OS version, memory, laptop brand, interface brand, that sort of thing - again look in the specs I post at the bottom of this for an example.

    2.  What is the default sound device you have specified for Windows?  It should be your audio interface for best results.  To set this, go to Control Panel, and under Hardware and Sound you should see a link for Manage Audio Devices and be able to set the default device to your laptop.

    3.  If you open the audio interface control software, what Sample Rate is specified, and what ASIO Buffer Size is specified?

    4.  In Sonar, under Edit>Preferences>Playback and Recording, what is the Driver Mode set to?  (For best results, most folks use ASIO)

    5.  In Sonar, in Preferences>Audio>Driver Settings, what Sample Rate is specified there, and also at the bottom of that screen what is the Total Roundtrip value listed as?  Please note that the Sample Rate must match whatever you have set in the audio interface control software.  Also, please list the Playback Timing Master and Record Timing Master settings - also found on that same screen.

    6.  Is your audio interface USB for Fire Wire?  If USB, try making sure it is plugged into a USB 2.0 port, as some interfaces freak out and do weird things if they are plugged into a USB 3.0 port.  If the audio interface is Fire Wire, some folks have flaky results with their interfaces due to the manufacturer of the Fire Wire chips used on the computer.

    7.  Do you get sound output through your audio interface if you play a song file (MP3 or WMA) through the Windows Media Player?  Just to make sure that this is working properly outside of Sonar.

    8.  There is a freeware product called DPC Latency Checker that you can download and run (no install required, just download and double-click on the application in its folder to start it).  If you just let this run for a bit, you will see detected latency over time as it scrolls along.  There is a threshold there, and it will tell you your current latency, the maximum detected latency for this running of the program, and it will also tell you if anything in your system is causing enough of a latency issue to disrupt the ability to do audio processing on your laptop.  Great little utility - (unless they fixed it since I checked, for Windows 8 the internals of Windows changed so that the latency values are not shown correctly, but that is ONLY if you run the Latency Checker on Windows 8 - for Windows 7 it works just fine).

    I again cannot emphasize enough that your situation is almost certainly caused by either a configuration issue or an errant install.  PLEASE do not throw in the towel on Sonar so soon into it, as it is extremely likely that working through this with the help of us forum folks will lead to things starting to work for you.  Sonar X2 is a great product, and running on a lot of folks computers without having these issues that you are.  So, please, hang in there.

    I will look for your reply with the requested information - and look forward to helping you to get this configured and installed and working properly.  Others here in the forum will jump in too, once you have listed the above information.

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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/29 14:02:31 (permalink)
    Can you play WAV files outside of Sonar? Verify that windows "sees" the soundcard and can talk to it first. If it can, create a new song, no busses, just one mono audio track. Can it record? Can it play back to the soundcard? Start simple, work from there. Best of luck, ed

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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/29 14:31:47 (permalink)
    ed97643


    Can you play WAV files outside of Sonar? Verify that windows "sees" the soundcard and can talk to it first. If it can, create a new song, no busses, just one mono audio track. Can it record? Can it play back to the soundcard? Start simple, work from there. Best of luck, ed


    If songs play outside of Sonar, I would maybe import an MP3 to an audio track and see if that plays - that's pretty benign, and then move on to attempt recording.


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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/31 01:19:02 (permalink)
    Cheers for the info, I'll give things another go. Uninstalled the program and get an error message towards the end of the re-install:

    C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities\Null Proxy.dll

    Unable to register the DLL/OCX:RegSvr32 failed with exit code 0xC0000005  

    Probably had this the first time round and just ignored it - but this is supposed to be an Admin issue but I started the installer using 'Run As Administrator'. I see there are a couple of other threads of people who have had this problem who haven't had a fix supplied.

    I have an Alienware laptop with two hard disks - the C: drive is a flash disk with the Windows 7 partition on it and the other drive is a 500G with data - this has a couple of partitions on it where there is one for the music. 8G of memory and i7-3630QM processor. 

     
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/31 02:00:31 (permalink)
    Completed the installation and ran manually 

    C:\Windows\system32>regsvr32.exe "C:\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities\NullProxy.dll"
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/31 02:15:57 (permalink)
    And this time I've just put in my licence key and will will install the patch before having a play with anything
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/31 02:56:13 (permalink)
    OK - it's back in the default install state, and things are playing happily. So the things I did last time that may be an issue were the soundcard itself (Tascam US-144Mk2) being plugged into a USB 3.0 port (though that shouldn't have been quite so catastrophic) or changing the MIDI values to cope with missed notes during playback. Might make a backup of the drive and settings first though before progressing with these changes. All the program files are in their own C:\Cakewalk folder so should not need to have any administrator issues.

    A couple of queries though:
    Are there any issues with Sonar being run off a flash disk?
    What are safe settings for MIDI buffers/channels?
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/31 03:06:55 (permalink)
    If you are dropping MIDI notes on playback try 500ms buffers.
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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/31 05:01:36 (permalink)
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    If you are dropping MIDI notes on playback try 500ms buffers.


    ...that is: " MIDI buffers - Prepare using xxx ms buffers"

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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/31 05:30:22 (permalink)
    Just as a sidenote (I searched on similar problems in here recently and couldn't find a solution).    I recently started getting dropped MIDI notes and really bad keystroke latency in synths.  I thought the drivers on my soundcard were up to date but when I checked they weren't, updating them cured the problems.

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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/31 05:54:13 (permalink)
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    OK - it's back in the default install state, and things are playing happily. So the things I did last time that may be an issue were the soundcard itself (Tascam US-144Mk2) being plugged into a USB 3.0 port (though that shouldn't have been quite so catastrophic) or changing the MIDI values to cope with missed notes during playback. Might make a backup of the drive and settings first though before progressing with these changes. All the program files are in their own C:\Cakewalk folder so should not need to have any administrator issues.

    A couple of queries though:
    Are there any issues with Sonar being run off a flash disk?
    What are safe settings for MIDI buffers/channels?

    If things are working now, yu might consider updating the subject line of your thread to add something like: 'Resolved' - that lets folks know everything get fixed and can save folks from reading all of the posts only to find out at the end that it's all working. :)


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    Re:X2 seems to have lasted a single playback 2013/01/31 06:10:44 (permalink)
    To the OP,I have had the "no audio",no meters,then sometimes" situation many times,and it is always for me,when the soundcard is acting up,and Sonars Audio Engine plays havoc with the project playing properly.

    My particular problem[This time]was,as I'm now running a "bus powered" interface-N.I. KA6,having my "under laptop" USB fans running,[to help this poor dell xps run a bit cooler]which it was,was stealing some of the 500ma the interface required,so Sonar,would do almost EXACTLY as you described,as well as going all white,the new soft option to a BSOD,I reckon,anyway luckily the fans have a switch,and not a problem since.[except the internal fan is now often on loudly,whereas before,it hardly switched on].

    So I would certainly look to soundcard incompatibilities,as that Tascam is getting on,and is more suited to when it was released,X1 X2,definitely like their soundcards to be shiny or expensive,compared to earlier versions IMO.

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