razor
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Will X2 Solve This?
Hello-- Ever since I've switched from Sonar 8.3 32-bit on Windows XP 32-bit to Sonar 8.3 64-bit on Windows 7 64-bit Sonar has been less stable. I get more Sonar freezes and even some Sonar crashes. My computer is stable with everything else as is Windows, but Sonar just was better before. I do all the tweeks that have been suggested and still I'm seriously thinking about upgrading to X2 64-bit but with money being very tight right now, I have to watch the spending. Is there any significant change from 8.3 to X2 that would make Sonar more stable on W7 64-bit? I've watched the videos on new features (which are cool) but I can only justify the expense (barely) if there are stability/compatibility improvements. Looking forward to hearing what you have to say. Thanks
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/25 21:26:56
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I'd say the stability could be a problem with your computer hardware or device drivers. Run a memory test, disk test on all your disks and a FULL virus/malware scan. The reason Sonar may have more problems than other programs is because it uses more of your CPU, memory and disk than other programs.
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/25 21:59:08
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Although without more information as to exactly what types of crashes and instability you are having, my best guess would be bit-bridge crashing on your 32-bit plugins. If that is the case, then YES, X2 does have better stability than the earlier versions. But it would still help to have more info as to the types of crashes. Best, guitardood
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/25 22:01:09
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razor Hello-- Is there any significant change from 8.3 to X2 that would make Sonar more stable on W7 64-bit? No. It's still the same engine as 8.3 ... just tweaked a little. What's changed is the GUI and the workflow. I think you'd be taking a big chance expecting X2 to improve your situation on an older PC like yours. Now prepare to be confused by the host of other posts to follow mine telling you that X2 is the best thing since man created DAW's and it works 100% perfectly flawless on not much more than a 486.
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/25 22:03:04
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Bub Now prepare to be confused by the host of other posts to follow mine telling you that X2 is the best thing since man created DAW's and it works 100% perfectly flawless on not much more than a 486. That's pretty hysterical......LOL! Best, guitardood
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/25 22:07:22
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Why not just grab the X2 demo and try it for yourself?
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/25 22:17:12
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I don't think anyone can give you a definitive answer on this Razor. I would say 8.5 on my machine was very stable but I can't see how I could compare it to X2 now. For one thing I have a different set of plugins. X2 also adds the Pro Channel. X2 is stable but I think it will vary with each machine to some degree. If I were you I would do as Daveny suggests and also try the X2 demo.
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/26 10:57:12
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Pro Tools 10 is more stable than X2 :D
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JonD
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/26 16:35:58
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I just noticed you're talking about v8, not 8.5... Wasn't v8 the first to support Win7? This might suggest that X2 is more refined and will work better with Win7x64. Or it might not. Anyway, some suggestions: - Make sure you do clean installs of Windows and Sonar - not an upgrade. Some folks have found a world of difference in stability just by reinstalling (ie. Having versions 5, 6, and 8 simultaneously installed can work - but can also cause problems). - nVidia cards have caused issues with some Sonar users. Make sure you have the latest drivers. (Of course, you should do this with the BIOS and all of your hardware. In some cases, you might need to "roll back" to more stable versions). - PC optimization. Do it. Disabling Speedstep, FW networking and onboard audio in the BIOS has made a difference to some users.
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razor
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/28 11:38:43
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Thanks all. Bitbridge is definitly one of the issues I've been having with freezes and crashes and have been looking into jbridge once I finish the projects I'm working on. I don't want to change anything mid-stream. NVIDIA and I broke up a long time ago for instability issues--but that's what I've got now. :-( I thought the engine changed in 8.5. Am I wrong there? I'll give the X2 demo a try once I finish my current projects. I don't want it messing with my 8.3. Thanks all!
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dubdisciple
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/28 12:37:27
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I think this question is impossible to give a definitive answer to. In fact, you are the only one who could give us the actual answer. If you never got tot the root of what was causing the instability, it's doubtful any of us could possibly know the cause and thus the probability that X2 addresses that particular thing. With that said, I find X2 more stable on my pc than 8.3 was, but I am on a completely different computer than what I ran 8.3 on.
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razor
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/30 11:26:07
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dubdisciple I think this question is impossible to give a definitive answer to. In fact, you are the only one who could give us the actual answer. If you never got tot the root of what was causing the instability, it's doubtful any of us could possibly know the cause and thus the probability that X2 addresses that particular thing. With that said, I find X2 more stable on my pc than 8.3 was, but I am on a completely different computer than what I ran 8.3 on. Looks like you're right. I guess I was hoping someone here had a similar experience = went from an older version of Sonar and found that the X versions were more stable. Here is a question that should be able to be answered. If I'm running 8.3 and then install the demo of X2, are there any conflicts? What about after I uninstall the demo? Thanks,
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/30 11:37:21
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There should be no conflicts running multiple versions of SONAR on the same machine. The trial version will overwrite some of the files in the "Shared" directories. Uninstalling any version of SONAR may result in those same "Shared" files being removed. If you choose not to upgrade, you may need to reinstall 8.3 if you remove the trial version.
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/30 16:54:47
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There was a point around SONAR 8 or so, don't remember exactly, when we started to develop the x64 version first as the main version. At this time the x64 version became much more stable than it had been in the past. Might be worth it to try the X2 Trial and see how that runs on your system ... http://www.cakewalk.com/P...s/SONAR/Web-Trial.aspx SP
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/01/30 17:35:36
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> My computer is stable with everything else as is Windows, but Sonar just was better before. What other software do you have installed? You should only install the software you need for recording. Make sure you virus scanner and firewall are configured correctly. Either way go for X2. You may want to do a CLEAN reinstall Windows after purchase if you get into messy issues. Always good to start again sometimes.
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razor
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Re:Will X2 Solve This?
2013/02/01 00:32:01
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Thanks all. I think I'll wait on the X2 demo until after the projects I'm working on are done.
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