JPPG
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Tempo changing in X1
How can I change the Tempo of the whole project once i´ve been working long time with it?? Cant get to do it... it just changes 2 seconds then turn back to original tempo
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robert_e_bone
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/29 09:22:52
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Hi - little confused here. You inserted a tempo change at what point in the song? The beginning? Middle? Please elaborate a bit on the tracks/clips in the project, and how you changed the tempo. Thanks, Bob Bone
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/29 09:28:18
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Are you inserting a tempo change at the beginning, or changing the tempo in the control bar? Have a look at the tempo view (Views menu, tempo ( or alt+shift+5)).
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/29 09:57:40
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Are you talking about Audio or Midi? One is easy The other one is a PITA
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/29 11:14:42
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You have another tempo change programmed. Go to View>Tempos tempo view will pop up. you will see a grid and on the right a list of all the tempo changes. You can edit all your tempos (tempi?) there. as others have mentioned, if it is just midi...no problems.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/29 12:56:25
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@Jimbo 88 "You can edit all your tempos (tempi?) there." Perhaps tempae, tempoes, Tampa, or tampon? Bob Bone
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/30 05:24:36
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What I need is 2 different things: 1) For example, I´m working on a project which is 135, and I think it´s too slow, I want 145, so how can I change the whole track tempo? I have both midi and audio recordings. 2) Another example: I´m working on a project with tempo 130 and I want chorus part to be 145. how to select the chorus and change the tempo? THANK YOU!!
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/30 06:03:44
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JPPG What I need is 2 different things: 1) For example, I´m working on a project which is 135, and I think it´s too slow, I want 145, so how can I change the whole track tempo? I have both midi and audio recordings. This is a pain but doable. - Insert now time to start of project
- Select Project-->Insert Tempo Change
- Make sure "Change the most recent tempo" is selected and set tempo.
- Open tempo view (Alt+Shift+5) and delete any other tempos other than the project start.
- To change the audio to fit see this video - in fact it goes through the whole process from start to finish albeit in a slightly different way.
2) Another example: I´m working on a project with tempo 130 and I want chorus part to be 145. how to select the chorus and change the tempo? This one is a little harder as you'll need to split audio clips, bounce them down and then repeat most of the above but on a section rather than the whole thing. This time though you'll be inserting a new tempo at the Chorus start in step 3 instead of changing the most recent one. THANK YOU!! You're welcome.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 06:43:51
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Thanks for that Karl, ive been waiting for an answer for what seems like forever from support re the same problem, which is the second time running they have failed to reply at all, you clearly know far more than they know about their own product.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 06:52:45
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damon777 Thanks for that Karl, ive been waiting for an answer for what seems like forever from support re the same problem, which is the second time running they have failed to reply at all, you clearly know far more than they know about their own product. It is a pain in the rear - but sometimes calling tech support is better than waiting for a response via email. That's the regrettable reality. I know that is difficult, calling from the UK and all. But the folks in the forum are collectively pretty good - so please jump in and post questions and problems and such, and you will most often find good assistance here (unless folks wake up crabby). Bob Bone
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 07:50:39
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Hi Bob, I appreciate your comments but I think CW causes us all unnecessary problems by not updating the help files when they change something, in every other version of Sonar ive used i simply alter the tempo in the main UI and it stayed changed, which is the way the help files state so why does it seem too much trouble for CW to just add the info Karl has offered to the help files?...If they did that more often they perhaps wouldnt need so many staff in tech support. I do use the forum but i didnt get the info i was looking for in this particular instance but i quite agree with you that the forum members are a great deal more helpful than the company themselves.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 08:14:07
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Damon777, has the Tempo function actually changed? AFAIK, there has never been an "Delete existing tempo changes" -kind of feature in SONAR (that would be great to have!) for changing the project tempo. SONAR assumes the changes in the middle of the project are there for a purpose, and are not meant to be changed even when original tempo is changed. The two usual traps people fall into: -The project has copy-pasted MIDI-clips. Each of them has a tempo definition in the beginning. Numerous times during the years I've had to go through the clips/Tempo view to delete those. I don't remember if there's a "Paste Special" -option for not pasting tempo changes, maybe there is and I haven't noticed?? - You have tested different tempos somewhere in the middle of the project and so inserted tempo changes.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 08:27:40
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Hi Kalle, I can only assume that the tempo function has changed in that in X2 I now have to go through the steps Karl has mentioned when ive not had to do that with either X1 or 8.5.3, but where does it give this information in the tempo section of the help files? Im not presently concerned with numerous tempo changes within a project but just the main track tempo.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 10:21:19
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I don't think the function has changed has it? However the presence of other tempo changes in a project will give the impression it has if previous projects didn't have them. AFAIK there has always been the change recent and insert new.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 13:41:32
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It doesnt really matter anymore since your input Karl (thanks) all i do know is that if i open up a new project in X1 and change its original tempo which is 120 bpm it stays changed as the help file states, if i do the same in X2 (90bpm) it remains changed for 1 beat and i have to follow your advice and delete the original tempo. I just dont understand the logic behind that if nothing has changed between the two versions and my only gripe is that as far as i have searched, theres nothing in help files to point out your own explanation.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 13:47:27
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Maybe the project template you are using has tempo information already in it.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 13:57:01
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damon777 It doesnt really matter anymore since your input Karl (thanks) all i do know is that if i open up a new project in X1 and change its original tempo which is 120 bpm it stays changed as the help file states, if i do the same in X2 (90bpm) it remains changed for 1 beat and i have to follow your advice and delete the original tempo. I just dont understand the logic behind that if nothing has changed between the two versions and my only gripe is that as far as i have searched, theres nothing in help files to point out your own explanation. That sounds like there was/is an errant tempo change a beat in. The original is being changed but then over ridden almost immediately by the one a beat in.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 14:28:30
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ive been waiting for an answer for what seems like forever from support re the same problem, Wow. I did not know that Cakewalk support would even address a problem about how to use the program. I assumed they confined their help to technical problems regarding the code not running as designed.
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 16:13:50
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damon, have you opened up the Tempo view (step 4 in Karl's post) just to see what tempo related events are there?
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Re:Tempo changing in X1
2013/01/31 17:28:22
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Hi Jonesey, yes, the tempo view in both X1 and X2 shows just the original and new tempo but only in X2 do i have to delete the original to retain the new but at least im aware of what i have to do now.
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