Thunderbird (Remix)

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2013/01/29 18:18:45 (permalink)

Thunderbird (Remix)

Hello,
 
After living with this song for a few weeks, there were a number of things that bothered me that I just had to "fix":
 
  • The beat from the bass and kick wasn't hitting hard enough. I slapped Renaissance Bass on the drum kit bus and swept the Freq until I could feel the kick better. Also, mixed in another kick drum and ducked the bass about 3db on every hit.
  • Fattened the snare a bit. It felt a little thin.
  • Overall, pumped up the drums in the mix.
  • Reprocessed the tribal drums to change the compression and reverb. The original processing I did made them big, but they weren't sitting well in the mix when played on various systems.
  • The bright synth pad had a random pan that bothered me the more I listened to it. I used Channel Tools to sum L+R and placed it slightly left of center to balance the lead guitar. I then sent that track to a bus with a ping pong delay and faded the delay in and out to taste using automation.
  • The bass was big, but not well defined. It is a busy bass part in spots so I wanted it to be clearer. I cloned the existing bass track and ran it through GR5 and gave it a slightly wide chorus with some top end pluck. I blended this in with the original bass track into a bass bus and compressed it. It now sits better in the mix and isn't so boomy.
That's all I can remember...it was a long day.
 
New mix: http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12138353&q=hi&newref=1
 
Original: http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12101343&q=hi&newref=1
 
Hope you enjoy the new mix and I am particularly interested to hear from those that listened to the original mix to see if my changes are improvements or not.
 
Best Regards,
Dan
 
post edited by dcumpian - 2013/01/30 14:23:04

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/30 12:59:40 (permalink)
    Wow, that's a lot of hoops to jump through, but you landed on your feet and have given us a lovely instrumental.  It builds up nicely, creates a mood, and then brings us back down gently.  Well conceived and recorded.  Good job.

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/30 14:23:59 (permalink)
    Lynn,

    Hey, thanks for listening again. Did you think the changes improved the mix any?

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/30 14:47:49 (permalink)
    I think the new mix has more depth and dynamic range than the first mix, but not by leaps and bounds.  They're both good, but I do like the new one better.

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/30 20:54:53 (permalink)
    Hey Dan...I enjoyed this a lot...one of the better instrumental pieces I've heard on this forum.  Any crits I would have would just be my own preferences...what you have done is really well done.  Glad I listened :)

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/30 21:06:06 (permalink)
    Excellent!! I was not expecting the harder edge when it came in.

    No crits here.

    Very well done!

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/30 21:15:39 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for the feedback. Unless something truly stands out, I'm thinking I'll put this one down before I mess it up. Off to stare at a blank project...

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/30 21:15:48 (permalink)
    The acoustic in the mix sounds a bit brighter in the beginning (not that it sounded bad before?)

    Overall, I really enjoyed this the 1st time, I don't know that I can really appreciate the improvement without an actual "OK Here's A" and "Here's B" literally at the same time? Back and fourth. 

    It sounded good then? And it sounds good now :-)


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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/31 08:08:21 (permalink)
    The Band19


    The acoustic in the mix sounds a bit brighter in the beginning (not that it sounded bad before?)

    Overall, I really enjoyed this the 1st time, I don't know that I can really appreciate the improvement without an actual "OK Here's A" and "Here's B" literally at the same time? Back and fourth. 

    It sounded good then? And it sounds good now :-)

    Thanks Robbie!
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/31 15:31:51 (permalink)
    Very nice. Well Done. Good Job. Pip Pip.
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/31 15:52:34 (permalink)
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    Very nice. Well Done. Good Job. Pip Pip.

    Thank you sir!
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/31 17:31:49 (permalink)
    Hi Dan,

    Wow. Fantastic. Excellent job.

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    Hi Dan,

    Wow. Fantastic. Excellent job.

    Thanks Gary!
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/01/31 21:30:59 (permalink)
    Dan, I think this is the first time I've listened to any of your music - you are very talented - I love this - it really put me in a good space.

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    Dan, I think this is the first time I've listened to any of your music - you are very talented - I love this - it really put me in a good space.

    Thank you Mark! Very kind thing to say. I'm glad the music affected you.
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/01 11:32:06 (permalink)
    Hi Dan, that's quite a production, very slick sounding. Excellent.

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    Hi Dan, that's quite a production, very slick sounding. Excellent.

    Rik

    Thanks Rik!
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/07 22:24:42 (permalink)
    Very nicely mixed!  beautiful tune.It put me in a good place too.  Nice instrumental changes keep it very alive, and I loved it when it went electric!  Gheeesh, Dan, this is nice stuff.

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/07 23:11:14 (permalink)
    Wow, what a great start to a song. So relaxing and soothing after a long day at work, then builds into a huge masterpiece. This is just superb. I have nothing but praise for it on all levels. Thank you for the privilege of hearing it.

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    Very nicely mixed!  beautiful tune.It put me in a good place too.  Nice instrumental changes keep it very alive, and I loved it when it went electric!  Gheeesh, Dan, this is nice stuff.

    Thank you Warren! Glad you enjoyed it!
     
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    Wow, what a great start to a song. So relaxing and soothing after a long day at work, then builds into a huge masterpiece. This is just superb. I have nothing but praise for it on all levels. Thank you for the privilege of hearing it.

    Thank you for the very kind words Shad! This one felt good while I was working on it. Some songs just sort of write themselves.
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/08 10:14:57 (permalink)
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    This one felt good while I was working on it. Some songs just sort of write themselves. 
     

    That actually comes across while listening, it really sounds almost effortless in terms of composition and arrangement. One of the most satisfying instrumentals I've heard on the forum.


     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/08 11:06:09 (permalink)
    I really enjoyed it Dan, very skillfully done.  Stopped analysing quite quickly and simply enjoyed the music.  That's a good sign!

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/08 11:36:00 (permalink)
    Can't add anything that hasn't already been said. Thanks for the 5 minutes and 22 seconds of pure enjoyment.

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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/08 12:48:27 (permalink)
    Sounds fine to me... benign neglect is the way to go from here... you've nailed it.
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/08 14:41:34 (permalink)
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    This one felt good while I was working on it. Some songs just sort of write themselves. 
     

    That actually comes across while listening, it really sounds almost effortless in terms of composition and arrangement. One of the most satisfying instrumentals I've heard on the forum.

    Mixing it was the hardest part. To be honest, I used to dread mixing because I struggled to get the song to sound like I heard it in my head. I've noticed that it's getting easier because of practice and things I've been learning along the way, almost to the point that I'm depressed when I finish mixing and start on a new blank project, LOL.
     
    Once I get a groove going I usually feel better again.
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/08 14:43:13 (permalink)
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    I really enjoyed it Dan, very skillfully done.  Stopped analysing quite quickly and simply enjoyed the music.  That's a good sign!

    Thank you Simon!
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/08 14:49:54 (permalink)
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    Can't add anything that hasn't already been said. Thanks for the 5 minutes and 22 seconds of pure enjoyment.

    You're welcome, and thank you for you kind words!
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/08 14:58:31 (permalink)
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    Sounds fine to me... benign neglect is the way to go from here... you've nailed it.

    Thanks Phil. I'm done with it...
     
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    Re:Thunderbird (Remix) 2013/02/08 15:32:38 (permalink)
    I commented on the original version of this fine tune and listened to the remix...
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