digi2ns
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A Good DAW Practice to Follow
Having just had one CRASH and BURN, I am very particular as far as keeping notes on the Fresh Install of HDDs, OS, and Sonar with all its components.
We tend to forget how much time we spent trying to get the systems operating flawlessly and all the tweaks it took to get there.
For those that havent done it is a good idea to make a Word Doc of everything from Step 1 of installing the OS to operating without faults.
It just hit me a that a good thing to do once it is up and running is to take Screen Shots of all your settings for Snoar, your interfaces, and anything else you can think of and post them to an account like PhotoBucket in an Organized folder.
The next time you have to rebuild it will make things so much easier if and when it does happen.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 16:13:57
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+1
Also xtra copies of doc / txt files for registration-serial numbers, website user/ passwords & info.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 16:18:28
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And clone your hard drives.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 16:26:21
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 16:28:32
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 16:31:56
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I have been doing this for years. I take it further and take snapshots as well of things like the drives and folder hierarchy, VST plugins folder directories etc. That way if and when you do have to do a complete rebuild you will have some sot of reference as to how things were laid out.
It can be very difficult to remember how you had laid things out and also what tweaking steps you made to get everything working smoothly.
I also print a lot of stuff out and put it all in a manila folder titled Computer Rebuild Info. I print out all plugin passwords or unlock codes etc. This is in case you cannot even get into your computer at all and don't have access to that very important info.
Another thing I do is I have created a Computer Rebuild folder on my C drive. Whenever I install a new plugin or program or anything I make a copy of it inside this folder. I back this folder up periodically from time to time. I may install the plug in or software from the file on my desktop but I know there is a copy of it now inside that rebuild folder. That way if you also have to rebuild you have got all this software in one place and it makes it easier. I put any updates into this folder as well. And remove previous or earlier versions so only the correct up to date versions are backed up in there.
Cloning your C drive is a great thing to do. Buy a spare drive and Acronis True Image. There is an option in there where you can connect the new drive to a spare connection and make a complete clone of your existing drive in real time. Pull it out and put it away. As you update your setup re clone this from time to time. I have restored a complete system because at one time my C drive started to make a bad sound and it was on the way out. It worked perfectly and saved a huge amount of time. I only had to reauthorise two plugins out of everything on that drive.
Fortunately I have not had to do a rebuild in a very long time.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 16:40:27
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Windows 8 introduces far better backup software away from msbackup.Not sure third party is needed any more.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 20:01:42
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I do it all, too. I use Excel, Screen Hunter and Acronis True Image Home.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 20:41:17
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I use per project audio folders.
Just saying. :-)
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 21:25:43
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Quick Question: When I went hunting for Acronis True Image, some reviewers said that like many things, the newer versions were not as good, and some said not even worth buying. I held off on it. So...what version do most of you have and/or approve or disapprove of?
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 21:43:45
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What were the bad comments?
I updated to 2013 & restored backups from several years ago, quite a few times already. Didn't have any issues.
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jimusic
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 22:00:36
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Sorry for the long, continual sentences on this Forum that this FireFox Version gives, as I'm not at my main computer that has Chrome on it>Comment#1)...it is unstable, it is full of bugs ranging from the 'annoying'(e.g. continuous backup suspends with no reason and then doesn't want to start again) to the 'critical'(e.g. fails to recover files from the backup, despite having validate it and found good)... Comment#2)...Never used a program with so many bugs, even blue screen errors trying to do 'continuous backup'. Difficult to figure out, unpredictable behaviour, does full backups when you want incremental backups, confusing naming conventions, impossible to understand the consolidation function, no way I could trust this program with my backups. When I finally wanted to recover a file, couldn't do it...
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 22:07:25
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Windows 8 introduces far better backup software away from msbackup.Not sure third party is needed any more. Windows 8 still includes the capability of doing disk images via the windows 7 backup system, although clearly it is not intended to be used by the average user. MS expects the average user will only have Windows Store issued metro (or whatever the ugly tile interface operating system is called this week) applications, which will survive a "refresh." Even if you opt to use the windows 7 system (type "windows 7 file" into search to bring up Windows 7 File Recovery from the murky bowels of Win 8), you still need to be very very careful about how you manage the image you create. Windows will overwrite preexisting images with the new one, and uses an inscrutable system to update images with incremental changes to the existing image. The help forums are littered with the bones of unfortunate Windows users who tried to move their images from anyplace except where Windows put them and were then unable to restore the image. Careful re-naming and husbanding of the backup folders may make it possible, but it is not easy. A third party imaging solution (some of the free ones are quite adequate) will allow you to much more reliably keep images that will restore to an exact point in time.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 22:21:00
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 22:32:36
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jimusic
Quick Question: When I went hunting for Acronis True Image, some reviewers said that like many things, the newer versions were not as good, and some said not even worth buying. I held off on it. So...what version do most of you have and/or approve or disapprove of?
I'm using Acronis True Image 2010. I forget the version I was using before that, but it was really old. The only reason I upgraded was the version I had did not support Windows 7. It had some major problems at first not being able to see USB ports when you used it via their bootable CD utility, but they came out with an update and it works like a charm now. You don't even have to install it if you don't want to. You can download a special ISO Image that you burn to a CD that has the HDD backup and restore utilities on it. It's a bootable CD once you burn it and comes up with a basic Windowish/DOS looking version of Acronis. Think DOS 7.0. I use the Bootable CD Utility so I never even have it installed on my system when I do the backups. When you install it in Windows, it loads all kinds of extra's that I don't want on my system. It's just easier (for me anyway) to use the Bootable CD utility and never let it install on my system in the first place. It supports USB drives, both stick and HDD. So you can plug in a USB HDD, boot from the CD, and back up your DAW HDD directly to the USB HDD without ever actually installing Acronis. IIRC, you can even install that ISO to a USB thumb drive so you don't have to waste a CD. They keep emailing me all the time urging me to upgrade, but what I have works so there's really no need. The only time I plan on upgrading is when I upgrade to a Windows version that my version of Acronis won't backup anymore.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 22:49:49
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...So you can plug in a USB HDD, boot from the CD, and back up your DAW HDD directly to the USB HDD without ever actually installing Acronis... That's what I have - a 1 TB external Western Digital USB 3.0 HDD that's divided into 3 partitions, that I also store all my VST installs, both DAW complete software install files, & all License keys & #s, etc. That's sounds pretty cool! Thanks. [Still with Windows 7-64 Bit for now, although I snagged the Windows 8 Pro for $39.99, PLUS a backup DVD for $12.99 + $2.50 shipping as well.]
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digi2ns
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/02 23:01:51
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When I picked up the 3 HDD I had to replace, they all came with an Acronis True Image CD. When inserted, gave the options for Creating the regular OS Drive Creating Clones Not sure what other options there were. Unfortunately when this happened I wasnt to the point of having a spare clone yet, just DVD back ups of my projects (Which paid off) I will have a clone ready though for the OS and Sonar HDD cause that was the big head ache for me. Everything from all those fine little tweaks in BIOS and the OS to something as small as once you load Disk 1 with GR4, needing to go into NI Service Center and run those updates, not to mention all the little extra niceties like changing colors on your different Views in Sonar. So many time consuming necessary things that ya forget about when a system is and has been running great that add DAYS to a rebuild as you work and run into something and think to yourself-"Oh I forgot I had to do .... to take care of this problem" Then ya gotta go make those changes, reboot and start again until ya run into another one that was forgotten 
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/03 00:31:15
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I usually just give my computer a swift kick every once in a while to reseat the components and shake the dust of the hard drive spindals. Then I sit down to a nice cup of cocoa with it and remind it even though its running Microsoft it's not an office computer but rather a digital audio workstation. Then we both feel better and like a real recording studio.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/03 14:38:05
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...I usually just give my computer a swift kick every once in a while... Hahaha! Having read that, isn't Windows 7 back up good enough? >>>Sound of record needle scratches across vinyl, then dead silence, followed by countless voices of laughter throughout the various crowd levels!<<< I'm still with Windows 7 -64 Bit, [although I did snag Windows 8 in time]. I have done a Windows back up a few times, but have not tried it as a restore - not needed yet. Unfortunately, the reviews for Acronis True Image 10 & up are terrible on Amazon, and some other sites. There is a free one given away from Western Digital, [of which I have 2 WD drives], but it's only Version 9, and reading above, Bub said that Version 10 would be needed for Windows 7. Of course the free one could be even worse.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/03 14:41:08
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Now and then I copy my project folder to another drive.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/03 14:44:30
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Yeah, that's a good idea. I have 1 internal & 1 external 1TB Western Digital drive(s)to do just the same with.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/03 14:49:48
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Some people are getting confused. This thread is not about backing up Sonar projects. It is about a method to backing up and rebuilding your whole computer.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/03 15:40:54
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Yes the dreaded thread drift!
Norton ghost is what I would use for backing up a whole hard drive.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/03 16:40:52
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Jeff Evans
Some people are getting confused. This thread is not about backing up Sonar projects. It is about a method to backing up and rebuilding your whole computer.
Exactly where I initially went with it When mine crashed, All the HDDs (3) were TOAST (Will not work) & the video card fried I didnt have a clone and as far as back ups of projects, I did have them saved on DVDs so I was lucky there As cheap as that 1 TB Baaracuda is that comes with Acronis, Im thinking dont let this happen again
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/03 18:29:07
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I also send myself an email with any product codes and registration information for all my installed software, in case I cannot find the original install discs and the backups fail and the sun doesn't rise and I wake up as a female stripper.
I keep a clone of my primary drive on one external SATA 3 drive, and a backup of my data drive on an external USB 3.0 drive. (and I really do use an email to keep my registrations and product codes handy).
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/04 01:14:20
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I keep all my registration/activation codes/keys/etc. in a single Notepad file. I copy & paste from there whenever I reinstall any software.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/04 13:14:55
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robert_e_bone
I also send myself an email with any product codes and registration information for all my installed software, in case I cannot find the original install discs and the backups fail and the sun doesn't rise and I wake up as a female stripper.
I keep a clone of my primary drive on one external SATA 3 drive, and a backup of my data drive on an external USB 3.0 drive. (and I really do use an email to keep my registrations and product codes handy).
Bob Bone
I remember back when I got Sound Forge 9.0. I used to keep all my registration stuff in an email. Then the first time I had to replace my HDD (back then Acronis did not support restoring your HDD to a different drive so I had to do a fresh install of everything and couldn't use my backup), I discovered that Sound Forge and some other programs will not allow you to activate their software with the same reg info twice. Fast forward a few years, I have now done a fresh install of Windows 7, and I can't activate Sound Forge 9.0 because it says I have activated it too many times. And ... there are several other things you have to register in Sound Forge ... so I'm totally screwed at the moment. So, keeping backups of all your reg stuff is a good idea, but keep in mind it doesn't help in all situations. I used to put them in a .TXT file and print them. Nobody ever comes to my recording room except me, and my family wouldn't steal from me, I hope. But then I stopped doing it for reasons I mentioned with Sound Forge. I'm pretty pissed off at Sony right now. It says I can reactivate it, but I have to call them to get authorization. That's not right, but the way the world works now. I even tried to get a crack for it, imagine, cracking your own software, but it seems that you can't even get cracks any more. You have to sign up and pay for one of those file storage sites to get anything, and I'm not going to give criminals a single penny of my money. It's one thing to do what I was trying to do ... but it's another to financially support that kind of thing.
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Re:A Good DAW Practice to Follow
2013/02/04 14:15:09
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For years, I lived on the edge (backing up to DVDs only say every 2-3 years). Bad form, I know. I decided last month to buy a 1-TB internal SATA drive for evening backups. I keep all of my projects grouped by folder, by year. (I literally have top level folders for 1995, 1996, 1997, ... 2011, 2012, 2013). Within each are folders for the songs. (Older years before PPA just have songs and one 'audio' folder.) The backup drive has current copies of all. ANYway... after an evening of working in Sonar, I just grab the appropriate year (or song) folder and drag a copy over to the spare backups drive. Seems easier than relying on some software program (Ghost, Acronis, Windoze). Just my $0.02. Sorry for contributing to thread topic-creep.
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