ABeautifulVirus
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[remixed2-11] my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
hey i've been mixing for like 24 hours and my ears are shot. is there anyone bored with a fresh set of ears who needs a mix to listen to? not my song (Pete Murray/Neil Godfrey from LoPro are songwriters) I'm just singing the harmonies, the 'bow your head' part in choruses, and I'm playing lead guitars/vamps. Pete's got an amazing primal scream voice like the dude from Filter. Friggin incredible range. Shredding. Verses and bridge have cool blend of Pete's tenor and my baritone layered vox. Neil is truly a solid guitar player as well. You might remember the MRI song "Letters Never Sent" with Eastern flavor that Pete guest appears on. This has a similar vibe in intro and outro. so it kinda sounds like LoPro/MRI which doh i guess it should lol. anyway my ears are shot i'm trying to listen in simulator audio environments and can't distinguish anything anymore. on a bit of a deadline so like i said if anyone has nothing to do... this is a rough rough mix. it's LOUD and compressed as hell as per NuMetal/Grunge genre. but tasteful/unique/visceral . thanks in advance to anyone :) {oh btw song is about rock stars} -Daren Bow Down © 2013 Pete Murray/ LoPro [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo-Pro ] Bow down to the one who sings Bow down to the gift he brings Bow down to the one who sings Bow down or so he thinks Bow down (Bow your head) (Bow your head) (Bow your head) Bow down to the one who sings Bow down to the gift he brings Bow down to the one who sings Bow down to anything Bow down (Bow your head) (Bow your head) (Bow your head) No your luck is not genius No your luck will not save us Bow down (Bow your head) (Bow your head) (Bow your head) Pete Murray: vocals Neil Godfrey: guitars Daren Thomas Turner: vocals, guitars Tommy Stewart[Godsmack]: drums Neil Godfrey: bass http://www.mediumrangeint...owDown_rough2-6-13.mp3 --------------------------- REMIX 2-11-13 http://www.mediumrangeint...wDown_rough2-11-13.mp3
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/07 02:04:09
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if I had to guess what this would look like under a spectrascope, I would expect it would look like a slanting line at about a 30 degree angle off the x axis. You need to bring the high end down, look toward 8k. Mids are ok so far, that may change, bottom needs to come up a lot.
I really like this song.
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ABeautifulVirus
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/07 08:12:34
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Hey Shad- thanks for this very much bro as it will help me dial in better some things. I had a feeling about the low end - I'm going to rest my ears another day and get back to work. grateful for your taking the time to point me in right direction.
cheers!
-Daren :)
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/07 14:09:59
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This song has great potential. It's a little harsh right now, but that may be due to ear fatigue. Like you say, take a break and come back to it later. There's a gem hidden in this.
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/07 18:04:09
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Daren:
Big @ss song for sure. The relative size of the drums gets squashed once the guitars come in. Everything is stepping all over everything else. The bass is kinda indistinct, but that could be a stylistic choice.
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/08 03:34:09
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Pretty awesome song! It does seem the kick/snare need to be louder or more punchy, I can't feel/hear them as much as I would like, especially for the heavy rock genre
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/08 11:55:12
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hey this is awesome everyone thanks - listening back now with the comments I can agree with everything. also I forgot to mention that they will be doing final mix including drums so I'm making notes. I'm only more or less in control of my own parts and I'm trying to dial them in better -
I can target frequencies in the drums here but don't have access to track levels on drums - this is their rough mix down which obviously needs to be tweaked. I'm trying here to achieve balance on vox haonies & guitar layers etc...as there are 5 of my harmonies blended in verses and bridge
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/08 12:40:59
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Wow, I can see why your ears are shot, Daren... I don't envy you trying to mix that bad boy. Great tune and all, but a monster to mix. I'd agree with James: it sounds like everything is louder than everything else  . I would humbly suggest starting by figuring out what you want to be the dominant element(s) in the mix, pull everything else back to zip and start from there. Just a thought.
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/08 16:40:33
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It definitly needs a decongestant.
Once you have each individual instrument sounding the way you want, I would start with the drums, then add in the bass and then each instrument in turn. All the while, keeping things better balanced and seperated. Try mixing at a barely audible level. Keep in mind though, the lows and highs will fool you as at low volumes, they are harder to hear.
No easy feat.
Good work so far! Don't spend to long on one thing.
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/08 20:40:38
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Wow, a lot of music here - all good - love it.
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/10 20:06:03
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First off...LOVE it!! The energy is amazing. Alice in chains, NiN...is what comes to mind.
High level...is I think you're trying to make everything "BIG" and as a result loosing some definition. I'd recommend anchoring on vocals and drums and wrapping things around that.
Also hear some overall distortion from the compressors...this is just a tad too pumped and squashed...maybe just a single db less of average RMS might do thetrick.
Bu love it love it love it!!!
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/10 20:12:03
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I'd also look into any verbs that you might be using and eq out some low end from them. Those drums in the beginning are huge...if you kept those same verbs on them moving forward then that could be a culprit...
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/11 01:51:49
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can't say enough how much I appreciate EVERYONE's input here. helped me much. the drum mixdown is beyond my control, but I was able to tweak a lot as per the many good recommendations here -- this is still rough but better/warmer/stereo balanced imo with/ out as much drum loss and amplitude issues etc... thanks again u all rock :) -Daren REMIX 2-11-13 http://www.mediumrangeint...wDown_rough2-11-13.mp3
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/11 02:27:46
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How loud are you monitoring in dB SPL's while you are mixing this. Here is some good advice. It does not matter how big and heavy the tune is. Set it up for about 80 to 85 dB SPL (C weighting) and you will see what I mean. You can mix at that level for 8 hours.
If you have been mixing loud then you will faint when you hear how quiet 85 dB is. The ear has a better frequency response at this level. Keeping it down will also stop you from brightening the mix as your ears get tired too.
I also use a small mono speaker down much lower than 85 dB even and that is great too. You can spend hours on this and get the balance near perfect for hours on end too. You only have to come up loud to check bass and reverb levels.
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/11 09:50:33
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I love the chorus and the scream. In the first mix everything is squashed but that is fine as this is intentional. The second mix the guitars are eased up and things are clearer but it somehow looses the intensity of the first mix. Anyways, great track and song.
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/11 10:32:53
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Monster song Daren, huge wall of sound. It's actually got a bit of a late '60's psychedelia vibe to me - nothing wrong with that. It probably the loudest mix I've ever heard on this forum, I've got my speakers on about 0.5/10!
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/11 20:00:52
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It is hard to tell on these computer speakers, but the drums still get overwhelmed when the guitars come in. I'm wondering if you built up the realitive volume of the lead elements. Guitars loud. vocals louder. Scream is just about right. Let the tension build while keeping the drums more forward.
But a great song. Didn't hear the original mix but I like this one. I'm just picking around the edge.
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Re:my ears are shot out. anyone w/ fresh ears?
2013/02/12 17:46:42
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I like it. Sounds good to me. I wouldn't have a clue on what to tell you to do on this. This could be close what you're wanting to do. If you take everyone's advice then it might be their song instead of yours. Here's what I do lots of times. I listen to a song that resembles mine a few times, switch to mine and I can usually tell right off the bat where mine is off. Maybe it has too many highs or lows. Vocal is too loud or soft. Guitar tone is way off, etc. But usually I can get in the ballpark that way. Always seem to miss that special sheen or cover that envelopes a song I love, though.
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