Which drumcomp. or drumset is sd3 ´s dark lord of the seth?Thanks Cake for Masterclass vid

Hi,
did someone of you know which  drum-computer/-machine or drumset is 
session drummers´s 3  dark lord of the seth ?

By the way, the master class video´s on  drumproduction  are really great,  
specially the tricks mentioned  on the step sequencer (velocity,swing......),
which allow a real human feel and sound! Thanks ,Cakewalk!!!!


Pragi

i agree,those videos are awesome and it shows the type of flexability of session drummer and the things you can do with it.
for instance,i use seesion drummer as a triggering device at times.
sample a drummers live kick,snare,ride,hats,exc.
then i drop then in one by one into session  drummers pieces.

the other thing i like is the ease of use.its really straight forward.
the drums are laid out and routed right to the console,like in real life.

more often than not im using a board to mike a real drum kit.
but there are those cases where drum replacment is needed or youve packed up the kit and at a later point in the project realize there is something you just dont like.
this is when sampling comes into play.
this is one of the reasons im not a person who has bought the expantion packs.
in my opinion,with one clean good sample with a good signal to noise ratio..you can make that kick sample sound like anything you want using effects.

nice posts man.

The kit consists samples from different sources as the names of the samples indicate. The kicks are "dlotskit-kick.sfz" (I'm assuming that stands for dark lord of the seth), snare, cymbals and high hats are similarly named, but toms are 808 toms. There is also an 808 cymbal on the percussion pads. The rest of percussion is from the sonic reality samples. I'm guessing the "Seth" in the name of the custom samples could be Seth Perlstein of Cakewalk who pops up on these forums. Not sure if he would reveal his sample source.

Pragi. you are welcome. Are you aware that the names of the samples are displayed in the "drum" area of the SD3 interface? Took me forever to notice.

Dup,
no,till  now I haven´t perceived this feature,
even realized that it´s in the SD 3 drumkit view  left below .
Great
Some drumtracks on this project are performed  by Toontracks SD drummer . 
I was in doubt that it´s possible to create those analog (human)sounding drums with the Session drummer 3.

But now ,with the help of the Step sequencer and this awesome masterclass vids,
SD 3 is going to be more and more satisfying . 

What do you guys think:
Is it possible to create natural sounding drums with Step Seq.. and SD 3 ? 

Oh... but I think you are better off picking up one of the expansion packs for SD3 to get more articulations and better sound quality. I bought the Andy John's kit for SD3 and it was a massive improvement over the included kits.

Hi, Pragi. Thanks for the kind words. I always appreciate your posts as well. I've actually moved on to using BFD Eco for my drums mostly after I bought it on special for $50. It came with the Platinum Samples Rock Legends expansion pack which has been working great for what I do. I've done things a few different ways getting pretty good results. The Anti Machine Gun setting couple with the Humanize knob gets me pretty close when I am doing point and click inputting then I mess around with the notes manually in the PRV. I also have a Korg padKontrol which I've used to play the drums live using both SD3 and BFD Eco and it's really great for getting a nice live feel but because I used to play real drums with double kick it has it's limitation. I have an external pedal for the Korg that I can use as a single kick which is pretty cool but it's definitely not the same as a real kick pedal. Eventually if I ever get the money I'd love to start building a V-Drum kit.

But I don't think that's really what you are asking. What I would suggest in regards to using the Step Sequencer is input your beat using the AJ kit (because it has such good sound, responds better to velocities and with the effects in Sonar can be turned into pretty much any style you want). Once you get the first measure inputted and have turned it into a Groove Clip drag the clip out so it covers the range you want for that beat. Then split the extended groove clip into sections and open the new sections in the Step Sequencer so they are independent of the original clip. Then change the velocities, use the humanize function, etc so the new measure is slightly different than the original even if it is all the exact same hits/notes. Keep doing that for each measure then you'll have something more realistic than just repeating the same measure over and over again. Once you have 3 or 4 versions of the same measure you can start using them in the rest of the song mixing them up as you go along. You only need to fool the listener's ears just enough to make them not notice it is sequenced.

The humanize function in the Sonar Step Sequencer is "okay" and will get you close to a real sound but to really nail it it's best to go in and adjust the velocities on each of those segments just a little bit. It doesn't have to be all the notes. Mainly the snare, hi hat, ride and if you are doing fills the toms are what you want to look at.

This however is sometimes best done in PRV but obviously that's more complex so go back and forth and use all options available. If you have a pad style controller then using that to toss in fills over top of the main beats then going into the PRV and tightening it all up is another great way to achieve realism in my opinion. 

There are just so many cool ways to mess with drums using MIDI I've been having a blast learning it all. Now I should point out but you already know that I am still very much a beginner but I've been having great success using what I have so far and I am very happy with what Sonar is providing in this regard. I'd also say take a good look at the LP-64 Percussion Strip to make it all sound nice once you are done. It was designed for this type of thing and when used properly sounds great.

Cheers, dude. Good to see you. ;-)

Hi ,
Beep.
Thanks for revealing your workflow aso.

Now I have a  good overview about other 
ways to create drums.

Thanks to all for your tips.
I´m offline for today
Pragi

My prior post was a response to dubdisciple