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2013/02/08 17:51:38 (permalink)

I cant use this...

I new to DAWs. I'm trying out Reason, FL, and Sonar, all in demos.
I noticed that on Sonar it's incredibly hard to "click in" my notes, where in FL its basically all clicking, and in Reason it's mostlly clicking.
Like the step seqeuncer is really hard to use, and I don't get it. Is sonar more for real instruments, like singing into a mic or recording guitar? Or at least more for use with a keyboard? I mean even Cakewalk Soundcenter, it doesn't quite let me pencil in the notes like FL....
If this is not the case PLEASE offer me some help with step sequncer and samples....im about  to buy a DAW and i cant decide between FL (which i will probably not use after a year) or Sonar (which is super hard to learn).
Also-can i put sounds into sonar? Idk what the term is....sample? Like sounds I got from Dubturbo, cuz i got that cuz i thought it was a DAW lol. By sounds I mean the stuff on the left panel of FL: those quick one-note sounds like ONE hi hat, ONE kick, not a Virtual drum or a oscillator-type-sounding-note that sounds like 3 notes
 
 
 
That was probably hard to read lol sorry i dont know many terms so it's hard to explain
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    FastBikerBoy
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 17:54:36 (permalink)
    Double click to add a note at the default length. Click and drag to draw a note to any length. Make sure that snap isn't set to extreme though or the snap will make drawing difficult.

    Change that in Preferences--->Customisation-->Snap to grid. Try a mid range setting.
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 18:44:55 (permalink)
    There's a handy video on the Sonar university (link is down the bottom) shows you how to use the step sequencer, failing that have a browse on YouTube. I tried FL before buying X1 and couldn't figure out, that was more than likely due to me being a clut though!

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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 18:55:53 (permalink)
    I think I get what you are trying to do and i will try to explain this as simply as possible. in fl studio the step sequencer and sampler are somewhat integrated in the sense that when you ad a sampler channel (or any other instrument) it creates a step sequencer channel. In sonar when you create an instrument track, the default view is different but the step sequencer or piano roll views need to be selected. If i had camtasia i would just show you how this is done, because it sounds harder than it is.
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 19:28:39 (permalink)
    Evnabby


    I new to DAWs. I'm trying out Reason, FL, and Sonar, all in demos.
    I noticed that on Sonar it's incredibly hard to "click in" my notes, where in FL its basically all clicking, and in Reason it's mostlly clicking.
    Like the step seqeuncer is really hard to use, and I don't get it. Is sonar more for real instruments, like singing into a mic or recording guitar? Or at least more for use with a keyboard? I mean even Cakewalk Soundcenter, it doesn't quite let me pencil in the notes like FL....
    If this is not the case PLEASE offer me some help with step sequncer and samples....im about  to buy a DAW and i cant decide between FL (which i will probably not use after a year) or Sonar (which is super hard to learn).
    Also-can i put sounds into sonar? Idk what the term is....sample? Like sounds I got from Dubturbo, cuz i got that cuz i thought it was a DAW lol. By sounds I mean the stuff on the left panel of FL: those quick one-note sounds like ONE hi hat, ONE kick, not a Virtual drum or a oscillator-type-sounding-note that sounds like 3 notes
     
     
     
    That was probably hard to read lol sorry i dont know many terms so it's hard to explain
    We have a bunch of videos up on SONAR U that show you how to get started. Also, if you buy X2 Producer through Feb you get a free 30-day pass at Groove 3 where you can learn more about SONAR. We've taken many steps to simplify SONAR X2 starting with the Skylight User Interface. SONAR X2 is pretty powerful and complete DAW and has many features which will help you grow throughout the years. 


    Start with these videos:


    http://www.cakewalk.com/C...ONARU.aspx/Get-Started





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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 19:41:01 (permalink)
    PRV? Alt + Click using the Smart Tool. Live it, learn it, love it.

    You can also switch to the select tool and then it's single click input but then you lose all the other functionality of the Smart Tool which is imperative in PRV I find.

    As far as I know in the Step Sequencer you only have to click once but I may be mistaken on that. I haven't really bothered with the SS much in X2.
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 19:44:13 (permalink)
    hmm... probably would have helped if I actually read your post. lol

    But seriously... PRV is much better and easier to use than the SS in my opinion. 
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 20:12:04 (permalink)
    It's almost impossible to be a newbie to a program as big and complex as Sonar without being frustrated. Hardly anyone sits down with the manual as soon as they open a brand new program for the first time, myself included. You roll your sleeves up and think "right, let's suss this thing out." And of course it quickly becomes apparent that you're not going to get very far without instruction. It's like playing with AutoCAD for the first time and thinking "this sucks, it's much easier to draw lines in MS Paint." (OK I know that's a bit of a snarky analogy but you get the picture). 

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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 20:17:48 (permalink)
    @sharke... Totally. I've been studying for over 8 months* and I'm just now starting to get a real grasp of where, what, how and why things are in Sonar.

    *I stopped a few times to just record some music. Had some other life stuff happen during that time as well but for the most part I spend every day at the very least reading the forum.
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 21:28:49 (permalink)
    Ok guys can you answer me this question: Will SONAR X2 Essentials be a good choice for Hip-hop/Rap production with few real instruments recorded (so no need for high end recording stuff), but lot's of....IDK what to call it...Synth drums? Software drums? Bascially drums that are NOT recorded by mic :P
    Bascially I need something like FL lol, something that's good with lots of clicking in notes rather than MIDI keyboard or recording.
    I'd also like to use my Dubturbo sounds in it...is it possible?

    I'm asking this because I realize it's probably way easier to buy it and learn form the real product+manual than from the Trial which has different instruments (thats the main part thats throwing me off)
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 21:40:13 (permalink)
    If you wish to use loops its great for that. Its good for all forms of music. For Hip Hop I would consider getting an MPC though. You can do fine without one but it will more fun with one. 

    Best
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 21:59:48 (permalink)
    By loops do you mean like actually MAKING the loop from say a selection of a Ride, Kick, snare, and hat or downloading a loop and adding it to the song? I think you mean the first one since u suggested an MPC but i wanna make sure
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 22:13:15 (permalink)
    You can do it any way you want. You can use audio loops MIDI loops loops from an MPC.  Sonar is not limited. Oh and of course you can by using Sonar make your own.

    Although trying the demo is a good idea it wont let you get too deeply into what Sonar can do. Because you only get to use it for 30 days.

    If I were you I would watch the videos on Sonar before down loading the demo. 

    Best
    John
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 22:14:27 (permalink)
    I think some dude made a tutorial a while ago to transition from FL to X1 and it may address your concerns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhkpYRQjqzE
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 22:15:50 (permalink)
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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 22:33:08 (permalink)
    Hi Evnabby! 

    To answer a few of your questiions:

    - Sonar actually the easiest to use among all 3 you try overall.
    the difficulties you're having are probably due to the fact that you're new to the entire DAW universe.

    - for making beats, FL is the winner here, hands down,  but for recording and editing audio, it's really not up to Sonar's standards....


    That is not to say Sonar can't do beats, but FL does it with so much class (pattern based sequences, sampler integrated, QWERTY keybord triggs and record sounds etc... 

    I don't know why you'd say you won't use FL studio in a year, it's no less a pro product like Sonar. if you really enjoy making music, 
    no matter which DAW you choose, you will face a good learning curve... it's all a matter of devotion. 


    Oh, and by the way, if you purchase FLstudio (producer or signature), you will be able to open it INSIDE Sonar (and have both at the same time, locked together using VSTi or Rewire technology)... that's the way I use them both. 


    I hope that helps ! 

    Cheers! 

    V




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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 22:50:50 (permalink)
    Bear in mind that while other DAW's like FL may have tailored beat making capabilities, that's not to say that you cannot purchase such functionality in VST form to use in Sonar. Things like FXpansion Geist to name one (although it's pricey). 

    You can also buy packages of MIDI drum patterns that you can drag and drop into your DAW. Groovemonkey being an excellent example. I use these a lot - you can either use them "as is" or you can use them as starting points for your own beats. I like to quantize them in different ways to get different feels. I also sometimes chop them up and put them back together to make my own offbeat patterns. 



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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/08 23:19:27 (permalink)
    Lourdo


    I think some dude made a tutorial a while ago to transition from FL to X1 and it may address your concerns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhkpYRQjqzE
    May i ask a question? why would you link this video? 
    its basically a video complaining about how bad the user thinks sonar is
    and he's trying to sell you FL studio.
     
    judging from your posts this evening you seem to be a new user
    with little experience(youve said so yourself)
     
    id be willing to help you out all i can as long as:
    you show interest.
     
    i wish you the best.
     
     
    post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/02/09 02:49:12

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    Re:I cant use this... 2013/02/09 00:54:27 (permalink)
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    Ok guys can you answer me this question: Will SONAR X2 Essentials be a good choice for Hip-hop/Rap production with few real instruments recorded (so no need for high end recording stuff), but lot's of....IDK what to call it...Synth drums? Software drums? Bascially drums that are NOT recorded by mic :P


    In short, yes.
    Definitely watch the video on using the Step Sequencer. It should help a lot.
    But also get familiar with the PRV. I don't really like the inline PRV, but I do like working with the full PRV, selected from the view menu.
    Like Beepster, I am very comfortable working with it, and tend to prefer PRV over the SS. Totally personal preference.
    I don't have X2, because I am working on an XP platform, but X1 Essential is quite powerful, and more than adequate for what you want to do. I would expect X2 Essential to do the same.
    As noted earlier, and you already know, the learning curve is fierce at first, especially if the whole DAW thing is new to you.
    I knew nothing about this stuff when I started out. Now, it's mostly second nature.
    Take your time. Learn it in small bits.
    Don't try to do your grande opus right away. Read the help files. Trash some projects. It will take some time, but you'll get it.
    I believe it's worth the effort.



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