X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor

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2013/02/14 04:57:15 (permalink)

X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor

Hey all,

Is anyone running X1 on a laptop along with a 2nd monitor, and has the 2nd monitor set as the primary display in Windows?

I'm looking to buy a 15.6" laptop for when I'm working away from home and, ideally, I'd like to be able to use my 24" monitor as the primary display showing the main X1 window, and have the laptop screen show the multidock for prv editing, plugins, etc. 

Monitor res is 1920x1080, and the laptop will be 1366x768.

I haven't used a multi display setup before so I thought I'd check if this was possible before I buy the latop.

Any advice would be appreciated.



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    Jürgen Gleisberg
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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 05:28:06 (permalink)
    Hi MoodyB,

    I worked with X1 and now X2 with a setup as you want to buy. My 24" Acer is my primary monitor and the display of my 15,6" laptop my second. Most time I worked only on my primary (because of the docking windows), but sometimes I drag a window of a VSt-Plugin to the second monitor - no problems so far.

    T. Finkbeiner
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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 06:27:59 (permalink)
    Hey Timo thanks for the reply. That's just what I wanted to hear.


    Now to pick a laptop...





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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 07:35:06 (permalink)
    I'm getting good use from my high spec gaming laptop from PCSpecialist. It is based on a CLEVO P150M and I just upped the options up to a certain budget. I also chose a 15.6 inch lappy, and I really do manage without a second screen. I have got a second monitor but I don't bother using it any more.

    You will definitely need a proper sound card, unless you already have one. I use a QUAD-CAPTURE myself, because I do not need a load of ins and outs.

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 08:21:48 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info synkrotron.

    I've had a look but I'm on a very tight budget & their laptops go over it for the spec I want. I can get a off-the-shelf brand laptop for a little bit less than their custom ones with the same spec. Plus I don't need to wait 8-10 days on it either.

    I still have a 4ghz i5 tower pc than I can fall back on when I get home, so the laptop doesn't need to be ultra powerful as I'll just freeze synths & effects when it starts to choke.

    It's a good site though to keep in mind for future builds though, as with a bigger budget I'd have a field day :)

    As for the sound card I'll probably go for the Focusrite VRM Box again. I need to work on headphones almost 100% of the time & the vrm effect does help when mixing levels, etc. I had one before that I used with a previous laptop, and it worked fine. 



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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 09:02:01 (permalink)
    ASUS! ...just my liking for what it is worth...

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 09:07:34 (permalink)
    I remember having a Sonar specific issue with this when ProChannel first came around. Basically it was bugged to hell if my external monitor was set as the primary. I don't know if that is still an issue.. However, it wasn't a problem as I could simply keep the laptop as the primary but have the edit window on the external etc :) The only difference being the start menu was on the console window.
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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 09:28:15 (permalink)
    I have two monitors on my Dell laptop. Sadly it won't let me use the laptop display when both are plugged in. One uses  propriety dell port and the other rgb. Works well.

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 09:35:22 (permalink)
    Sadly it won't let me use the laptop display when both are plugged in.



    Are you sure? That seems unusual. Did you try Windows+P and select Extend?

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 09:38:43 (permalink)
    Yep. Its a limitation of the onboard graphics card. Two displays at any one time and that includes the LCD display.

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 10:05:45 (permalink)
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    Yep. Its a limitation of the onboard graphics card. Two displays at any one time and that includes the LCD display.

    Same here, FWIW.

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 10:16:40 (permalink)
    Same here. Currently I use the Laptops LCD and two 1600x1200 on a matrox dualhead2go, seen by the system as one 3200x1200 screen.

    I about to buy a u3011 2560x1600 and try to drive the two 1600x1200 via delock usb3 to displayport to dvi adapters in portrait.


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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 10:48:56 (permalink)
    Yep. Its a limitation of the onboard graphics card. Two displays at any one time and that includes the LCD display.



    That's odd, I have a Dell Vostro 3750, and I can use the laptop display, AND the VGA AND HDMI .. so that makes 3 video outs.. 
    but then, I have 2 video chips (on-chip intel+Nvidia), and both can run at the same time. 


    One thing for sure, to answer the initial question, make sure you have a dedicated video chip if you intend to run dual monitors. choose wisely !


    Cheers ! 


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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 12:58:56 (permalink)
    I have an Asus. It work well, but warning, they have TERRIBLE customer service and they have install a bunch of junk that totally hoses up your computer if you try and uninstall. working with two monitors does work well though and you get a lot of computer for the money.
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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 13:28:46 (permalink)
    i did this for awhile a few years ago but i used this:
    http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Toshiba-dynadock-U3.0-Universal-USB-3.0-Docking-Station/2589172.aspx?cm_mmc=ShoppingFeeds-_-GoogleBase-_-Notebook/Mobile%20Devices-_-2589172_Toshiba%20dynadock%C2%AE%20U3.0%20Universal%20-%20USB%203.0%20Docking%20Station_TOS-PA3927U-1PRP

    a docking station,and i used 2 monitors and not the laptop screen at all unless i needed 3 monitors for large projects.
    a docking station has 2 outputs 1=vga / 1=dvi
    it uses a usb port and gives you 4 more usb ports as well.
    i acutally had great results with that mobile unit.

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 14:07:45 (permalink)
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    One thing for sure, to answer the initial question, make sure you have a dedicated video chip if you intend to run dual monitors. choose wisely ! 





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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 14:13:48 (permalink)
    I've been wondering about my Win7hp 64 bit, ASUS G74sx i7-2670qm, with a docking station. The 4 usb ports (3-usb2 and 1- usb3) are now routed to Tascam US1641 I/O, usb mouse, Virus Ti2 (though I am just installing this and have other issues to solve), and the usb 3 port is for my 1Tb external library and backup drive (+ 2 internal drives). I just bought a vga cable to hook up my old P4 XP setup's 2nd Dell FP1703 to the laptop, and haven't read anything on dual monitors, yet(I assume that is easy enough).
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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 14:42:36 (permalink)
    I appreciate there's a budget, second hand laptops though I wouldn't recommend. Often asking for trouble. Laptops never last as long as desktop PCs by a long way. Any PC or laptop I would buy new to be honest.  Not what you wanted to hear, sorry....

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 15:36:56 (permalink)
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    I appreciate there's a budget, second hand laptops though I wouldn't recommend. Often asking for trouble. Laptops never last as long as desktop PCs by a long way. Any PC or laptop I would buy new to be honest.  Not what you wanted to hear, sorry....

    That's alright  I have a 1 year warranty with it, so if it lasts that long hopefully I'll be able to replace it with something better.


    I won't be using it every day, as I have my desktop for that. 3-4 times a week at most I expect. That might stretch its' lifespan a little.



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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 16:12:51 (permalink)
    Im using a Hp Pavilion laptop about 4 years old i5 (this puts paid to Alexs theory, sorry Alex), with my 80cm TV as my monitor (you dont need duel monitors when you have an 80cm TV and yes its very clear).  This is fed out of the HDMI port and if I wanted I could run as a duel monitor setup.  I think HDMI is the key here.

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/02/14 16:26:29 (permalink)
    Everybody will have their own experience with their own laptop. Laptops may vary (see the small print). I've probably dealt with 100's of laptops, there comes a point where most just die, and they certainly die a lot quicker than desktop PCs (as a generalisation). Glad you got a warranty smart move. Cheers Alex.

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/03/03 13:08:19 (permalink)
    Laptop arrived & dual screens is working a treat using the internal HD4000 Intel chipset.

    There is a R7670M as backup if needed, but as the res is only 1366x768 the i5 & HD4000 cope fine with 2 displays.
    I was content when I could drag the browser off to the left or right side, but when I realised I could drag it down below the monitor & have it appear on the laptop, which sits below the monitor, it was happy days :)


    Now, as for using the laptop as a 2nd display along with my pc I tried the MaxiVista demo. This  works over a network & is ok if a little sluggish. Ideal for the PRV display but probably not for using the console.

    The only other app I've come across is Air Display, which claims to be faster but there isn't a demo. Does anyone here use it ?



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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/03/03 13:18:17 (permalink)
    I've had a few laptops over the years and to be honest only problems they've developed after time have been 1) reduced battery performance, 2) problems with the lid hinge or cracks appearing on the lid, and 3) problems with the screen, usually related to problems with the lid hinge. 

    The first problem can be solved by getting a new battery, and the other two are pretty much dependent on the build quality of the laptop. If they're made with flimsy materials then opening the lid from the top with one hand usually results in a cracked lid and/or screen problems over time. You get more life out of them if you open them with two thumbs on the lower half of the lid. 

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/03/03 15:31:09 (permalink)
    i think laptops do make great daw's been when you slice it apart and look at it from the inside youll always comeback to the desk top.
    just save up and put money aside.

    a laptop gets hot in there and lets face it,weather or not you want to believe it,that second monitor is stealing valuable resources from your computers memory.

    for under 500 bucks you can build your own DAW that will perform(IMO) well above what you have now.

    ive wrote a book and ten video to walk you through every step of building one,even my buddy who is computer stupid built his own..he asked a few questions,but still built his own.
    id even be willing to give you a free copy of my book if you message me.
    the only thing you'll be paying for is computer parts...lol
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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/03/03 21:11:28 (permalink)
    Hey...ummm, Charlie....any chance I could get in on that book deal? Pretty please?? I'm getting pretty close to a build, as my Dell XPS 410 is probably on her last leg in the next year...lol

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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/03/03 22:22:14 (permalink)
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    Hey...ummm, Charlie....any chance I could get in on that book deal? Pretty please?? I'm getting pretty close to a build, as my Dell XPS 410 is probably on her last leg in the next year...lol

    sent you a private message with a download link to my book.
    it also comes in kindle format if you want that as well.
     
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    Re:X1 Producer on a laptop + 2nd monitor 2013/03/05 13:15:25 (permalink)
    MoodyB


    Now, as for using the laptop as a 2nd display along with my pc I tried the MaxiVista demo. This  works over a network & is ok if a little sluggish. Ideal for the PRV display but probably not for using the console. 

    The only other app I've come across is Air Display, which claims to be faster but there isn't a demo. Does anyone here use it ?

    Turns out there is an Air Display demo. You're given 1 hour to test it out.


    Compared to MaxiVista, the screen refresh on Air Display over a WIFI connection is slightly slower. That's using their accelerated beta drivers too. Didn't try it using a network cable, so you could get better performance with that.


    It's still more than useable though, and when you consider it's 1/3 of the cost of MaxiVista it's not a bad compromise really.



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