Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit!

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2013/02/16 01:12:05 (permalink)

Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit!

I just bought a new Toshiba laptop that came with Windows 7 64-bit. So, I installed the 64-bit version of X1 .... wow! I encourage anyone who does any recording to start using 64-bit.

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 01:24:06 (permalink)
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 02:00:37 (permalink)
    @MelodicJimmy

    Great time to update your forum sig with your new machine specs, don't ya think???

    Way to go on the new computer, welcome to the land of extra memory.

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 04:22:31 (permalink)
    I went to 64-bit operation with Vista (please, stop laughing) and never looked back. It bugged me that I couldn't ReWire and that both Waves and UA plugs were 32-bit, but I just held tight until they caved and went 64-bit. 32GB of RAM and 64-bit operation is a beautiful thing.

    I wonder if the 64-bit angle is why software (not just X2) runs so reliably on my computer. 
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 04:26:25 (permalink)
    I've just gone 64 on my ageing computer and added another 4 gig of ram, so far it's looking good, only a few plug in losses (still enough for my needs).

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 05:13:51 (permalink)
    I dunno. With an i7 Quad core and 16gb ram there seems to be little "multitasking" going on here. Some basic processes still hog the whole system it seems.
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 06:21:37 (permalink)
    I first went x64 with V7 and XP x64 (yes please do laugh at my stupidity). Nightmare......drivers etc.

    Upgraded to Windows 7 x64 and haven't looked back since.
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 07:41:34 (permalink)
    i think ill be onto 64 bit soon, peer presure, peer presure
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 08:08:46 (permalink)
    soens


    I dunno. With an i7 Quad core and 16gb ram there seems to be little "multitasking" going on here. Some basic processes still hog the whole system it seems.

    Some programs do not multitask well.  Are you noticing this just in Sonar or in general with your computer?  If you are having trouble you may want to start a thread perhaps the forum can help you sort it out.
     
     

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 09:07:59 (permalink)
    New system is running 64-bit, but the old system is still running 32-bit and still works perfectly. So I'll keep it around for various tasks... no need to get rid of it just cause it's getting old.

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 09:22:23 (permalink)
    MelodicJimmy


    I just bought a new Toshiba laptop that came with Windows 7 64-bit. So, I installed the 64-bit version of X1 .... wow! I encourage anyone who does any recording to start using 64-bit.


    I know the feeling! Welcome to the x64bit world!  


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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/16 10:15:23 (permalink)
    32 bit Vista here and everything runs fine. No need to upgrade for me
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/17 03:47:48 (permalink)
    64 bit rules my world.

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/17 05:07:06 (permalink)
    I have held off as I still use lots of 32 bit Waves plugins. They were a very expensive gift a few years ago and I cannot justify / afford to upgrade.
    Can the 32 bit versions be wrapped in any way?

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/17 05:33:12 (permalink)
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    I have held off as I still use lots of 32 bit Waves plugins. They were a very expensive gift a few years ago and I cannot justify / afford to upgrade.
    Can the 32 bit versions be wrapped in any way?


    I'm not sure about Waves as I don't use them but most 32-bit plugs will work under bitbridge or jbridge or both.

    Bitbridge is in-built into Sonar and the process is pretty much automatic. Insert the 32-bit plug and it will open automatically under bit bridge. Jbridge is a (cheap) third party alternative that has built in support. I personally prefer JBridge as it has a better looking interface and I find it more user friendly in that it doesn't insist on staying on top like Bitbridge does.

    Having said that both are perfectly usable and integrate seamlessly although whether that applies specifically to Waves plugs I don't know. I think Danny Danzi uses Waves and also has 64 bit installed hopefully he or another Wavews user will jump in at some point with a Waves specific viewpoint.
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/17 14:40:25 (permalink)
    So, rewire doesn't work with 64-bit? I thought it was supported now....

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/17 14:42:13 (permalink)
    Yeah, I just checked.... the X1D update implemented Rewire 64-bit.

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/17 14:54:29 (permalink)
    I was keeping some 32 bit hosts and plugins/instruments on my computer for betatesting purposes but I finally said enough of that.  If someone wants to live in the past, let 'em but I'm not going to waste my time with 32 bit plugins or hosts.

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/18 00:06:57 (permalink)
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    I dunno. With an i7 Quad core and 16gb ram there seems to be little "multitasking" going on here. Some basic processes still hog the whole system it seems.

    Some programs do not multitask well.  Are you noticing this just in Sonar or in general with your computer?  If you are having trouble you may want to start a thread perhaps the forum can help you sort it out.
     
     

    Thanks Tom. Not an issue as much as just a general gripe. I use a few processor heavy apps and would like to see a bit more system sharing than I do, that's all. Internet activity is one. I haven't really noticed a big difference over 32 bit.
     
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/18 00:22:48 (permalink)
    Rewire works in in 64 bit if both the host and the slave are 64 bit. If one is not 64 bit you would need to load the 32 bit version of the 64 bit one to get them to talk to each other.

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/18 00:45:33 (permalink)
    You get to know pretty quickly which 32-bit plugs aren't happy in a 64-bit environment and which ones are sweet. I used TP Basslane on every project and haven't had one single issue with it, but if I insert Cakewalk's 32-bit tape emulation on a track it's guaranteed to crash Sonar every time. As for the Waves plugs I don't own any but I'm sure there must be a hundred forum discussions out there which discuss their behavior in a 64-bit DAW. 

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/18 04:37:13 (permalink)
    My current DAW PC is dual-boot with XP-32 and W7-64.  Exactly the same hardware and software is installed in both setups and there is no obvious difference in performance when running 32-bit Sonar.  However 64-bit Sonar (obviously only installed in W7) displays hardly any CPU use even for large projects.  Impressive.  Unfortunately most of my old projects won't open in the 64-bit version so I tend to stick with 32 most of the time.

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/18 17:31:00 (permalink)
    My upgrade from X1/xp32bit to X2/win7 was pretty manageable and I think a fairly low risk one

    My son gave me a 128Gig Solid Solid State Drive and a copy of Win7 for Christmas

    I went dual boot (8 gig of memory on an Asus MB) and a EMU1212m card

    The dual boot was pretty painless and getting the soundcard up in both OS's was okay

    Then I bought the X2 Producer download and installed it in 64 bit on Win 7

    But the big thing is to go slowly on getting the plugins up - pretty much install the whole Sonar X2 and then pick off the plugins one by one.  Not sure if this is everyone's cup of tea but it kept my stress level down.  

    With the SSD drive this thing loads REALLY fast - and between the Breverb and 64 bit OS this thing never is breathing hard and that's a really good feeling.  
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/18 18:50:11 (permalink)
    MelodicJimmy


    Yeah, I just checked.... the X1D update implemented Rewire 64-bit.


    Pity Sibelius 64 didn't yet though ain't it?...

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/18 19:01:46 (permalink)
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    I went to 64-bit operation with Vista (please, stop laughing) and never looked back. It bugged me that I couldn't ReWire and that both Waves and UA plugs were 32-bit, but I just held tight until they caved and went 64-bit. 32GB of RAM and 64-bit operation is a beautiful thing.

    I wonder if the 64-bit angle is why software (not just X2) runs so reliably on my computer. 

    I see as much reliability running 32 bit software as I do running 64 bit stuff.
     
    Bridging between the two can cause issues though so I'd recommend if you are wanting to use 32 bit applications still then install Sonar 32 bit to service them.
     
    I wonder if people who didn't have a REAL need for 64 bit, for rendering big libraries and stuff like that, just ran Sonar 32, 32 bit plugs and Rewire how many times they'd actually HAVE TO reach for the 64 bit version, and how many issues they'd not have by avoiding bridged plugs whilst still having access to their 'old favourites'?
     
    Just food for thought as it's come up a couple of times today with people still wanting to run some of their 32 bit stuff but being insistent on doing it from their 64 bit DAW .

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/18 22:23:28 (permalink)
    scook posted this link in a thread a couple of days ago. I have used this little program and it works great with my old Waves DX 32 bit plugins. On a few occasions the UI wouldn't draw the plugin completely, but I think that's a video driver issue for me. I could usually refresh the page and it was fine. But it allows you to use the old plugs in 64 bit apps such as X2. http://www.kvraudio.com/f...w.php?t=177538&start=0

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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/19 02:58:32 (permalink)
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    I was keeping some 32 bit hosts and plugins/instruments on my computer for betatesting purposes but I finally said enough of that.  If someone wants to live in the past, let 'em but I'm not going to waste my time with 32 bit plugins or hosts.
     
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    I agree with you Dave.
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    Re:Using 64-bit now.... will NEVER go back to 32-bit! 2013/02/19 14:09:19 (permalink)
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    Mod Bod


    I was keeping some 32 bit hosts and plugins/instruments on my computer for betatesting purposes but I finally said enough of that.  If someone wants to live in the past, let 'em but I'm not going to waste my time with 32 bit plugins or hosts.
     
    +1
     
    I agree with you Dave.
    Cheers!

    Yup, all that software modelled emulation of hardware gear dating from the 50's onwards that is characteristic of the 'now', sounds much better in glorious 64 bit form.
     


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