Slip fade affects audio beyond the fade region?

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2013/02/17 11:17:19 (permalink)

Slip fade affects audio beyond the fade region?

Hi, I am having an issue while using the slip fade on clips, any help or explanations would be much appreciated!

When dragging a fade at the beginning or end of clips I find that the audio is affected beyond the region of the fade, i.e. beyond the red line.  With a fade-in at the beginning of the clip, the volume of the audio after the fade region is also reduced.  Conversely, with a fade-out at the end of a clip, the fade region has to be dragged a couple of beats into the clip to see any effect on the very end.

I have posted a clip of the behavior here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni5Le1uBAbs

I only want to use a quick fade for a short length of time to avoid pops where I have cut the clip.
I am using the Linear curve for the fade.
I can't see anywhere in the settings / preferences where I might have inadvertently changed the behavior of fades.


Sorry if this has been asked before, I searched for it but no mention of fades recently.
Thanks in advance!
Stuart

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    Re:Slip fade affects audio beyond the fade region? 2013/02/17 12:19:03 (permalink)
    Stuart I am not sure what the problem is. In the video you don't play the clip you simply move the clip fade line around. I notice that the wave form is also changed but does that really impact the volume at points beyond the fade? 

    BTW this a new feature (I'm not sure when it came to be though) that the wave form is visually changed and its only an indication not an absolute.  You need to listen to it not look at it. 

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    Re:Slip fade affects audio beyond the fade region? 2013/02/17 13:56:25 (permalink)
    Hi John, thanks for your reply 


    I should have played the audio to demonstrate in the video, but I can assure you that the actual audio in the clip does what the visual representation is showing, i.e. the fade is not starting and stopping at the correct point.


    I have been using these fades for a little while now as they are so useful for disguising abrupt cuts when comping (can't remember when it was introduced, 8.5 maybe?) and I can normally rely on the visual representation of the fade matching what is happening to the audio very precisely.


    I just tried a completely new project with one track and the fades behave as expected, with the red line precisely indicating the extent of the affected audio.  I can't reproduce the inaccuracy I had in the original post.


    I thought maybe there was a setting somewhere, or maybe this track is interacting with something else like a compressor which is boosting the volume back up and hence is reducing the fade's effectiveness.  But then I thought it can't be that because this waveform is showing the dry content of the track before the effects bin or pro channel.


    It's a mystery to me!
    I'll try to post another video with sound, (I'll see if I can find an easy-to-learn screencast program, beats sticking a camera in front of the screen!   )


    Best wishes
    Stuart




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    Re:Slip fade affects audio beyond the fade region? 2013/02/17 14:05:15 (permalink)
    Stuart thats very interesting. I also wanted to compliment you for providing the video. 

    I wish I had an answer for you. I can't recall ever running into a problem with fades. 

    Maybe there is some offset being applied. 

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    Re:Slip fade affects audio beyond the fade region? 2013/02/17 15:34:36 (permalink)
    Re: > "I only want to use a quick fade for a short length of time to avoid pops where I have cut the clip." Not a direct answer, but be sure you have "snap to zero crossings on cuts" {or whatever they call it exactly; search help for 'zero crossings' and you will find it} enabled. This will effectively eliminate any pops on cuts.

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    Re:Slip fade affects audio beyond the fade region? 2013/02/18 17:50:34 (permalink)
    Make sure that you don't have any effects in the clip or on the track. I had a similar issue and it was because I had melodyne inserted on the track.  Just a thought.

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    Re:Slip fade affects audio beyond the fade region? 2013/06/14 17:24:13 (permalink)
    I see this behavior all the time (slip-fade affects more than just the faded portion of clip).  I went to test whether it's affecting the level outside the fade, or if it's a graphical-only bug, and suddenly it works fine (of course, Murphy's Law).  If I figure out how/when it goes buggy, I'll submit a problem report.  Anybody able to reproduce on demand?
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