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Take Lanes and looking un-professional
I've seen a lot on issues with take lanes on this forum and agree with it.
What I've not seen mentioned, is that it find it makes me and Sonar look inadequate in front of clients.
Invariably a client (for want of a better word) will want to hear a quick play back of a part(s) just tracked.
I have no confidence that I'm able to do that quickly without fiddling around with solo buttons, muting, take numbers and moving clips, changing heights etc
The concept is great, but very poorly executed and my biggest frustration with Sonar, from someone using it on a daily basis.
Do we know when there might be a re work coming out ? I would feel so much better if Cakewalk acknowledged our issues and stated that they are working on it ... or have they ?
It seemed to me, that after the very poorly managed X1 implementation, they really made a big effort to communicate and support x2, and were very visible in this forum for a while, which was great. That's all stopped now.
Sonar is my buddy and I'm not going anywhere but I I truely find simple tracking a real PITA.
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 05:57:54
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I hated track layers, but at least they were relatively easy to use. I agree that the take lanes are a little underdeveloped. It's a good idea and was one of the features I was looking forward to the most. But I never use them.
So yeah, I hope they get a proper re-working.
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 06:14:54
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The world is really varied.I always use the lanes for vox comping and i think that is awesome.Best
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 06:59:25
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LOL - sure is GIM  If they are working for you, I'm happy to hear that. They just didn't impress me compared to what, for example Nuendo can offer.
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Keni
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 10:20:16
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I too am very happy for those who find Lanes useful...
Tho I'm using them (separate tracks don't work well for me due to plugin issues and the likes)... They are not working well at all... I spend far too much time fiddling with zoom (manually) and re-positioning/exposing/displaying.
Look unprofessional? What's even harder for me is keeping my peace during it... Losing my temper and getting frustrated in front of a client is not good and the battle rages within me...
I enjoyed Layers and wished for some fixes and additional tools added, but Lanes took me the other way...
The zoom issues are hard to believe. They are so counter-productive that I truly wonder at how they were tested...
Nuendo? How well does it handle MIDI? I'm spending more time reviewing other softwares as the need continues to grow...
Keni
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 10:44:58
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Take Lanes deployment/integration in my opinion felt like a quick-fix. As many know in the software development world, the team who work on the audio engine, for example, aren't likely the same players that work on Skylight (you know, the GUI).
What I see is this: If you really dig into Sonar X2 and ask, how can I do _________ ? You're likely to find an answer if you dig hard enough. The program is really impressive for the price. What I don't get, is for something as important as a new feature, advertised as a new feature, and so easily and quickly visible why Sonar wouldn't take more time and put more thought into Take Lanes. Surely, their own staff had some of the same gripes we do on this board, but maybe were too close to the deadline release date to go back and re-tweak them.
Now, Cakewalk has gone down a path, that, if they go back and try to re-invent Take Lanes, it will look more like they are admitting Take Lanes were a rush job to market more so than, "We listened to you, so we're improving Take Lanes!"
For Cakewalk to burn so much energy on "touch" features, which many praise Cakewalk for their foresight into this technology, Take Lanes was an idea that Cakewalk had to catch up on. Which of these two features would you think would be more sought after by 90% of the Cakewalk customer base vs. the other? Now which feature do you suppose would be a priority to show off at NAMM?
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 11:23:11
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Keni
Nuendo? How well does it handle MIDI? I'm spending more time reviewing other softwares as the need continues to grow...
Keni
I wouldn't even bother with Nuendo, Keni. It's good for what it does but if you want to check out the Steinberg alternative, Cubase is your ansver. Nuendo is good for post audio to picture and music/audio mixing, and it has the advantage of being tailored for use with a networked server. But the MIDI side of it is very basic unless you buy a very expensive add on. And it's twice the cost of Cubase. Unless you are working with huge movie scores for blockbuster movies and can afford the MIDI add on thingy, or like me, work extensively with dialogue and foley for movies and TV-shows in a networked studio, then it's not a real option IMHO ;)
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 11:32:43
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brconflict
For Cakewalk to burn so much energy on "touch" features, which many praise Cakewalk for their foresight into this technology, Take Lanes was an idea that Cakewalk had to catch up on. Which of these two features would you think would be more sought after by 90% of the Cakewalk customer base vs. the other? Now which feature do you suppose would be a priority to show off at NAMM?
+1 to this ^^^^^ I would have though that in many a pro studio, touchscreen would be impractical, in as much as (by definition you) have to be within touching distance of your screen. Maybe it's aimed more at the professional lappy user? And speaking personally, I can't wait to shell out £400 on a shiny new HD monitor and then start prodding it all over with my grubby mitts.
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 13:19:37
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Now, Cakewalk has gone down a path, that, if they go back and try to re-invent Take Lanes, it will look more like they are admitting Take Lanes were a rush job to market more so than, "We listened to you, so we're improving Take Lanes!"
For Cakewalk to burn so much energy on "touch" features, which many praise Cakewalk for their foresight into this technology, Take Lanes was an idea that Cakewalk had to catch up on. Which of these two features would you think would be more sought after by 90% of the Cakewalk customer base vs. the other? Now which feature do you suppose would be a priority to show off at NAMM?
great thought and worded wonderfully, bro, i don't think i could have put it better. i've been working i IT on a management level for over 20 years and it just about ALWAYS seemed to go over better with both Administration & users when things were honestly put onto the table. (not always better, and not always EVERYTHING put onto the table) but always enough so that people weren't left in the dark to go about "thinking up" their own reasons why something didn't work, wasn't deployed sooner, or fixed in a timely manner, etc just a blurb about how lanes is being worked on for better ease of use and will be out in xx number of weeks/months) would be GREAT news for me to hear and certainly keep my "darker thoughts" at bay. as i say, this would work wonders for me, is it just because i'm in the IT business? and if most people would like/appreciate that, then it should be done. btw, i'm on X1 currently, will be on X2 by the end of the week, therefore i have not USED lanes, but have watched a few vids on it - looking forward to it. Russ from Coral Springs, Fl
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 13:53:23
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Yeah, I was an IT-Manager (Network Engineering (Cisco Nexus, VoIP, ASA security, IPSs, OpNET, Linux, etc.) for a multi-billion $ corporation, and our largest customer was....well, let's just say "Granny-Smith"... I was a huge proponent making sure you communicate with your customers, but in a channel they can access, but in that environment, the customers all signed MNDA's. Maybe Cakewalk could consider at least a hint, though. Communication does help. 
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 19:29:26
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Keni
Nuendo? How well does it handle MIDI? I'm spending more time reviewing other softwares as the need continues to grow...
Keni
I wouldn't even bother with Nuendo, Keni. It's good for what it does but if you want to check out the Steinberg alternative, Cubase is your ansver. Nuendo is good for post audio to picture and music/audio mixing, and it has the advantage of being tailored for use with a networked server. But the MIDI side of it is very basic unless you buy a very expensive add on. And it's twice the cost of Cubase. Unless you are working with huge movie scores for blockbuster movies and can afford the MIDI add on thingy, or like me, work extensively with dialogue and foley for movies and TV-shows in a networked studio, then it's not a real option IMHO ;)
Thanks... That's what I thought I remembered... Too bad I already don't care for Cubase.... So I'll drop that line of research.... For now... ;-) Keni
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Re:Take Lanes and looking un-professional
2013/02/18 20:06:50
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Use track templates. Forget take lanes for the moment I suggest.
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