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How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
Hi all, Since installing X2a, I am finding that my Win7 32bit- 4GB system is really being taxed and I'm having droputs and audio engine stalls/lockups a lot, along with white-outs. X2 really was the end of the line for my system, and I need to roll back to that version from X2a. What's the best way to do this? Do an Uninstall, then reinstall X2? I have the discs. I don't think System Restore will do it, but I may be wrong. Any advice greatly appreciated. (And I AM in the process of designing my next PC... lol)
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 09:19:37
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Hi Tony, I had a thread with this same question the other day http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2783929 I am in the same boat as you. Not sure I want to go thru all this. Am considering just using X1 until a fix comes out that makes me happy with X2a(b).. Hope this helps Dave
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 09:46:18
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Many thanks to all! Looks like I have my day's work cut out for me.
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 10:09:33
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As the other thread pointed out, the only way to roll back is to uninstall/re-install from the discs or download. I have to be honest though, I'm curious as to the specifics of your issues. I'm curious as to if X2a is indeed less stable for you, or if it is a matter of perception or even coincidence. We resolved hundreds of bugs with the X2a update (many of them stability related). I personally monitor a lot of the crash reporting that comes in, and the numbers definitely indicate X2a being much more stable the X2. Not to mention a lot of raw functionality fixes went into the update. Rolling back to X2 is guaranteed to be rolling back to a less stable version. A good place to get started with audio dropouts is with some of the information here: http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013007 Any version of SONAR can experience dropouts if external factors are getting in the way. Check out the above link if you get a chance to see if it helps. I'm sure the folks here might have a lot of other suggestions as well. In regards to the GUI going white and freezing, I'd be curious as to what a crash file indicates was the cause. We have an article on our website in regards to how to obtain/create this file if the Fault Reporter in SONAR isn't coming up. If the Fault Reporter is coming up, definitely send the report through. Anyhow, you can find manual instructions for generating the .dmp file here: http://www.cakewalk.com/S...px/2007013196#MiniDump If you send this file along to Tech Support, they can see if there are any clues to your crash. It could be something internal to SONAR, but it could also be an external factor like a plug-in or device driver. I'd get on the phone with Tech Support if you get the chance to see if they can determine any cause. It would be a waste to go through the trouble of rolling back to X2 release only to find out it didn't resolve the problem. If you get on the phone with us, best case scenario is that Tech Support is able to help you and you continue on with recording and making music. Worst case scenario is that Tech Support isn't very helpful, but identifies an issue that should be corrected in further updates and escalates it with the goal of making even better future products. Either way, I would spend a little bit of time investigating.
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 10:28:19
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk ] As the other thread pointed out, the only way to roll back is to uninstall/re-install from the discs or download. I have to be honest though, I'm curious as to the specifics of your issues. I'm curious as to if X2a is indeed less stable for you, or if it is a matter of perception or even coincidence. We resolved hundreds of bugs with the X2a update (many of them stability related). I personally monitor a lot of the crash reporting that comes in, and the numbers definitely indicate X2a being much more stable the X2. Not to mention a lot of raw functionality fixes went into the update. Rolling back to X2 is guaranteed to be rolling back to a less stable version. A good place to get started with audio dropouts is with some of the information here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013007 Any version of SONAR can experience dropouts if external factors are getting in the way. Check out the above link if you get a chance to see if it helps. I'm sure the folks here might have a lot of other suggestions as well. In regards to the GUI going white and freezing, I'd be curious as to what a crash file indicates was the cause. We have an article on our website in regards to how to obtain/create this file if the Fault Reporter in SONAR isn't coming up. If the Fault Reporter is coming up, definitely send the report through. Anyhow, you can find manual instructions for generating the .dmp file here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013196#MiniDump If you send this file along to Tech Support, they can see if there are any clues to your crash. It could be something internal to SONAR, but it could also be an external factor like a plug-in or device driver. I'd get on the phone with Tech Support if you get the chance to see if they can determine any cause. It would be a waste to go through the trouble of rolling back to X2 release only to find out it didn't resolve the problem. If you get on the phone with us, best case scenario is that Tech Support is able to help you and you continue on with recording and making music. Worst case scenario is that Tech Support isn't very helpful, but identifies an issue that should be corrected in further updates and escalates it with the goal of making even better future products. Either way, I would spend a little bit of time investigating. How many times should we report? Every project that crashes? Every time there is a crash?
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 10:35:12
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Ryan, Thank you for taking the time to post here. It is good to see this effort given how the forums are here lately. As for me and X2a, my biggest problems have come with erractic behaviour of lanes. Actually lanes in general are more cumbersome for me than layers, but THAT is just a preference thing for me. The other day I found I cound not open any pre X2 projects. I used safe mode, loaded no plugiins and they up. I did not have the time to diagnose which plugin was the culprit. That is probably on my to-do list this weekend if I decide to stay at X2a. Not really how I want to spend my studio time though. Dave
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 11:03:27
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Hi Kevo, If the fault reporter is coming up, go for it! The entire goal of it is to be helpful in the long run. The information gets automatically parsed through an automated system and logged with our developers. It detects duplicates so if you're pushing through the same crash it won't be wasting anyone's time, it will just be appending the same report with additional details. It will also match reports if others are experiencing the same symptoms. For reference of how this is helpful, the QuickFix we released right after X2 was expedited largely due to the fact that the fault reporter was identifying an issue impacting tons of people. Definitely a helpful system for detecting trends. If you can easily repeat a crash with a certain procedure, don't forget to add the details into the note for the fault report. For your own sanity, if the crash is that easy to replicate however, I'd consider doing your best to avoid that behavior if possible :) I wouldn't necessarily call about every crash, that's what we implemented the fault reporter for. Realistically, the details of the crash analysis are more helpful for developers then for regular humans such as myself. When you're hitting something debilitating though, sometimes we can extract some clues as to behaviors to avoid or third parties to get on the phone with if necessary. Hi dxp, Thanks for following up. We made some improvements to take lanes in X2a actually... rolling back to X2 might bring about some behavior that you might not be so fond of. I know this has been a hot topic for a lot of other folks as well. I'd be happy to hear your overall experience with lanes though, so you're welcome to share with the community as well as with Cakewalk directly. If you have any direct feedback for our Product Managers, hit up our Feature Request form here: http://www.cakewalk.com/s...ct/featurerequest.aspx
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 11:05:48
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kevo Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk ] As the other thread pointed out, the only way to roll back is to uninstall/re-install from the discs or download. I have to be honest though, I'm curious as to the specifics of your issues. I'm curious as to if X2a is indeed less stable for you, or if it is a matter of perception or even coincidence. We resolved hundreds of bugs with the X2a update (many of them stability related). I personally monitor a lot of the crash reporting that comes in, and the numbers definitely indicate X2a being much more stable the X2. Not to mention a lot of raw functionality fixes went into the update. Rolling back to X2 is guaranteed to be rolling back to a less stable version. A good place to get started with audio dropouts is with some of the information here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013007 Any version of SONAR can experience dropouts if external factors are getting in the way. Check out the above link if you get a chance to see if it helps. I'm sure the folks here might have a lot of other suggestions as well. In regards to the GUI going white and freezing, I'd be curious as to what a crash file indicates was the cause. We have an article on our website in regards to how to obtain/create this file if the Fault Reporter in SONAR isn't coming up. If the Fault Reporter is coming up, definitely send the report through. Anyhow, you can find manual instructions for generating the .dmp file here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013196#MiniDump If you send this file along to Tech Support, they can see if there are any clues to your crash. It could be something internal to SONAR, but it could also be an external factor like a plug-in or device driver. I'd get on the phone with Tech Support if you get the chance to see if they can determine any cause. It would be a waste to go through the trouble of rolling back to X2 release only to find out it didn't resolve the problem. If you get on the phone with us, best case scenario is that Tech Support is able to help you and you continue on with recording and making music. Worst case scenario is that Tech Support isn't very helpful, but identifies an issue that should be corrected in further updates and escalates it with the goal of making even better future products. Either way, I would spend a little bit of time investigating. How many times should we report? Every project that crashes? Every time there is a crash? I don't think that's unreasonable. If you're experiencing so many that reporting becomes onerous, then equally it shouldn't be difficult to find a fix. It's the ones that don't happen very often or are non-repeatable that causes most grief with the developers.
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 13:33:29
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk ] Hi Kevo, If the fault reporter is coming up, go for it! The entire goal of it is to be helpful in the long run. The information gets automatically parsed through an automated system and logged with our developers. It detects duplicates so if you're pushing through the same crash it won't be wasting anyone's time, it will just be appending the same report with additional details. It will also match reports if others are experiencing the same symptoms. For reference of how this is helpful, the QuickFix we released right after X2 was expedited largely due to the fact that the fault reporter was identifying an issue impacting tons of people. Definitely a helpful system for detecting trends. If you can easily repeat a crash with a certain procedure, don't forget to add the details into the note for the fault report. For your own sanity, if the crash is that easy to replicate however, I'd consider doing your best to avoid that behavior if possible :) I wouldn't necessarily call about every crash, that's what we implemented the fault reporter for. Realistically, the details of the crash analysis are more helpful for developers then for regular humans such as myself. When you're hitting something debilitating though, sometimes we can extract some clues as to behaviors to avoid or third parties to get on the phone with if necessary. Hi dxp, Thanks for following up. We made some improvements to take lanes in X2a actually... rolling back to X2 might bring about some behavior that you might not be so fond of. I know this has been a hot topic for a lot of other folks as well. I'd be happy to hear your overall experience with lanes though, so you're welcome to share with the community as well as with Cakewalk directly. If you have any direct feedback for our Product Managers, hit up our Feature Request form here: http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx Thank you for taking the time to respond. I was curious about this because I have a few projects that will crash Sonar X2a when loading (Only when they are the first project loaded after launching Sonar). If I launch Sonar and load a different project, close the project, I can then load any problem project without any problems for the remainder of the day. I sent in a couple of reports for each project causing the crash. EDIT: Oops! Heh! Wishful thinking... fixed
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 13:53:48
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 13:54:47
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Freudian slip, I'm sure. scook X2b?
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 13:55:15
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What is the backup version 19.0.03.308 in the X2 directory for if not for rolling back?
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 13:57:36
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John What is the backup version 19.0.03.308 in the X2 directory for if not for rolling back? Rolling back from a quickfix.
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 14:04:20
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another thing to keep in mind is when applying an update sometimes sonar will reset default settings.this is exspecially true when it runs the wave profiler again. if you have made any adjuments to latency,driver type,buffer settings its worth taking another glance at these particular settings.
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 15:14:27
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kevo John What is the backup version 19.0.03.308 in the X2 directory for if not for rolling back? Rolling back from a quickfix. That should be Version 19.0.0.306 in the backup folder. There have only been two patches and there are two backups. Just wondering. This backup system started with X1 if I remember correctly and was meant to allow a return to the previous install without having to uninstall and reinstall. Either it is working or it isn't. Thus I wonder what Ryan is talking about.
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 15:36:07
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IDK, I applied the quick fix when it came out and X2a when it came out. I only have one entry in "SONAR X2 Producer/Backup" 10212012/Version_19.0.0.306. Could other entries be related to some of panu's work? So much stuff gets changed in an update like X2a, simply replacing the SONARPDR.exe would not seem to be enough.
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 15:48:46
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You may be right scook but I don't recall modifying X2. The date is 11/17/2012 so you may be on to something. However I still wonder why if its true why we need to uninstall and then install the older version if CW created a backup system to prevent having to do this?
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 16:10:05
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I don't think CW ever provided a rollback process for anything other than quick fixes. Even then the rollback was a manual process, CW just copied off the SONAR executable. At least, I can't recall a more elaborate rollback process and fortunately have never needed to back out an update myself.
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 16:14:35
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Scook I think you are right about all of this.
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 16:57:22
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Being of a curious nature I thought I'd check to have a look at my backups folder - and there isn't one! I only have X2a 64 bit installed on this machine, but there' no backup folder. Just to confirm, I'm looking in C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Sonar X2 Producer There is one SONARPDR.exe
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 17:06:51
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Yeah, unless you installed the X2 build 308 quick fix, you may not have a Backup folder under "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Sonar X2 Producer"
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 17:13:17
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That's probably it. I installed the quick fix originally, but then I had a clean up and removed all prevoius version, including X2 and went from X2 straight to X2a
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Re:How Do I Roll Back to X2 from X2a?
2013/02/20 19:29:59
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RYAN- Thanks so much for your response. I will wait and do some research befoire I roll back. Thanks to the other Forum members who chimed in also. I so appreciate the help! The piece of work sitting in my X2a DAW at the moment basically consists of about 40 Loops from the Additional Content, a DimPro instance, and an Alchemy instance (only a few MIDI notes recorded so far.) There are some Pro Channel modules in use on about 8 of the loop tracks and about 3 F/X chains in use as well. This should be a breeze, even on MY PC. I have made no changes to any of the settings I had in place in X2. The problems I already mentioned. I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks again.
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