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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
Started a separate thread because I already feel like an A*S for going OT in other folks threads as much as I have lately. Does anybody else realize how terrible it is that Jorel felt the need to start his thread ( http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2784308 ) like this: Not wishing to upset anyone... Just saying. Best,
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/20 23:34:46
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i think you're right... sadly.
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/20 23:35:57
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I'll keep my mouth shut and let some a--hole tell me what I should say before I say anything about it.
Does that get my point across on it?
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/20 23:37:10
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I cannot read much into it without some clarity from the OP. Is the qualifier because it asks about other DAWs or because of a reaction to a few wacky threads or what? It can be read a few ways. Why take it negatively?
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/20 23:38:29
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I think this thread is in poor taste and you should be ashamed of yourself for starting it.
The only bad question is the one not asked.
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/20 23:42:06
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Bub
I'll keep my mouth shut and let some a--hole tell me what I should say before I say anything about it.
Does that get my point across on it?
Dude, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular as we're all guilty of being jerkos sometimes. I was just referring to the overall tone of the forums lately. Best,
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/20 23:46:31
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scook
I cannot read much into it without some clarity from the OP. Is the qualifier because it asks about other DAWs or because of a reaction to a few wacky threads or what? It can be read a few ways. Why take it negatively?
I was just referring how Jorel felt the need to preface his question with "don't mean to offend anyone" and the overall abundance of venom being spewed in the forum lately. Seems tempers have been flaring out of control (self included) lately. Must be a full moon tonight. Best,
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/20 23:46:49
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I just credited him with being sensitive to the feelings of others in bringing up the subject of other Daws on the Sonar forum. Perhaps he thought it may not go down well
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/20 23:55:17
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guitardood
Bub
I'll keep my mouth shut and let some a--hole tell me what I should say before I say anything about it.
Does that get my point across on it?
Dude, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular as we're all guilty of being jerkos sometimes. I was just referring to the overall tone of the forums lately.
Best,
We're not just here to spout off how pretty Sonar is and how awesome it works. That's not the point of this forum ... it's here for open discussion, debate, to seek help for problems, to speak praise of Sonar, to talk about it's problems, all of it. The forum doesn't belong to a handful of sycophants telling people what to they can and can't say all the time. I've got in to heated debates ... but one thing you will never hear from me is, "You can't say that." That's bull$hit and Cakewalk should send a message that it's not tolerated.
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/20 23:58:06
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And yes, it is a shame that Jorel felt that way. It just goes to show how concerned people are about speaking their mind about Sonar, they're scared to death if they say something that may be seen as negative against Cakewalk or Sonar that a certain group of people will come swooping down and jump them.
You're absolutely right, it was terrible. I was thinking the same thing, and almost said something ... but then I'd be in your position right now ... better duck ... it's coming.
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 00:07:34
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Bub
The forum doesn't belong to a handful of sycophants telling people what to they can and can't say all the time.
.....Cakewalk should send a message that it's not tolerated.
Couldn't agree more. Best,
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 00:34:36
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I don't agree. The title of the forum informs what the discussion is about. An open discussion is better in the Coffee House.
This forum traditionally is for helping Sonar users. It has also been used as a way to inform CW of wishes and features by its users. Even though they have a form for that. I never believed it was meant by CW to bash its products incessantly.
Or to attack those wanting to point out how well it does work. Yet that is what is happening by a few members.
I agree that its a shame a poster may feel the need to make an apology even before he asks a question.
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 01:19:57
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Perhaps re-reading this link might do some folks a little good:
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and you're all welcome to voice them, but the moment the conversation evolves from a debate about perception/individual experiences/competitors offerings/etc. to a thread centered around personally bashing other forum members and direct slams against Cakewalk and Cakewalk staff, you've crossed the line.
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With that being said, if someone DOES actually want a hand getting SONAR to perform optimally, everyone is welcome to post a thread about their experience and reach out to the community for suggestions. A number of users here have extended the invitation in a very polite way. You're also welcome to give Cakewalk a call and we'll assist.
Even if you're not here to get help but want to discuss how you feel about SONAR X2, we've always welcomed that and have never been into shutting down opinions that might differ from ours or be hard to swallow. You might be surprised to learn that a ton of people on staff here at Cakewalk know all of the "other DAWS" forwards and backwards and have a pretty good idea of the overall state of the product's stability in comparison to competitors, as well as what cool new tech is coming out from other companies as well. Like our friends here in the community, we care a lot about SONAR as well and are constantly working on improving it and raising the bar. We tend not to participate in discussions like this because we really don't have much place in the debate, but it doesn't mean we don't care what people think, whether it be a very vocal minority or not.
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It doesn't get any better or more clear than that. Thanks again Ryan. Best,
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 01:25:16
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In the old days this thread would fall like a wet turd down to the basement with a loud wet plop! I used to feel sorry for the denizens of the coffee house that they got abused this way. It did not seem fair to such a jolly bunch. But all is good now and these threads seem to stay put. Must be lack of moderator staff due to the cutbacks.
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 03:11:22
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I think that if folks cut back on the use of adjectives, it would help. :)
"You are a soppy puss-bucket" may be how one feels, but expressing that as "I respectfully disagree" might be a little less apt to fire up the flame wars. I just try to stick to a mixture of technical information and when I do express an opinion I try to indicate that it is my opinion and not some generally accepted truth.
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 06:29:30
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I thought he was worried that people here would get angry with him for wanting to try out another DAW... Oh well.. But I agree, the tone on the forum has gone a bit sour. And it seems that Sonar isn't the cause of all the bickering anymore. It's taken a not-so-good-turn lately. I'm back in lurk mode mostly, there is still some good entertainment and great ideas among the noise 
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 06:42:34
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Guitarpima
I think this thread is in poor taste and you should be ashamed of yourself for starting it.
The only bad question is the one not asked.
Why is it poor taste? The only point was that I felt bad for Jorel in that he felt like he had to apologize for asking a question and I didn't want to hijack his thread to say it. I agree with you wholeheartedly when you say: "The only bad question is the one not asked" Best,
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 06:44:06
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"I thought he was worried that people here would get angry with him for wanting to try out another DAW... Oh well.. " i would like to think people have more in their day to day life to worry about
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 06:50:17
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We've just had some bad trolls recently....
Just the way forums go...
C'est La Vie.
Lets ignore them and back to constructive lovliness.
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 07:15:18
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Hello,
afa I can understand,this ( upset) was meant as a term of politeness.
I guess simply Jorel wanted no discussion about Sonar or another DAW,
but simply the technical question.
If english is not your first language, it´s due to use a dictionary and the word
upset has really different meanings.
I think this discussion is strict that ,
jorel wants to avoid.
It´s good to read that many of you take care about the atmosphere in this forum,
has changed a bit to the crazy side the last weeks.
thanks
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 07:17:09
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Chregg
"I thought he was worried that people here would get angry with him for wanting to try out another DAW... Oh well.. " i would like to think people have more in their day to day life to worry about
I think so too. But that's how I took it when he started with an apology
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 08:18:54
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To sum it up...I think people that post questions about other DAWs etc....post them because our forum really does have dudes that know what they are talking about. We really do have some experienced people around here. If you ask a question, 7 out of 10 times you're going to get more than you bargained for with advice that is tried and tested from "several in the know".
I know each forum for a DAW has its smart people....but we on this forum, in my opinion, are the blessed ones. I sure wouldn't hold too much credibility in answers given on other forums. They are usually a free-for-all of people that THINK they know what they're talking about. The difference here, we only have a select few that THINK they know what they're talking about where the majority here, has a clue.
As for the forum tone....try to ignore anything that comes by way of a rant that isn't delivered like a human being with consideration or "voice for the sake of a voice". I seriously believe some of the people doing that have been planted here by our competition. Sonar is a great DAW and can be a spectacular DAW with the right TLC and direction. It may not be quite where we want it, but hopefully all the changes made within the company will make a difference for the better.
Regardless of the forum tone, this is still the best DAW forum on the planet, is 8 times out of 10 just as good as Sonar tech support for fixing problems, for advice, as well as a few darned good, genuine human beings. Just ignore the bots (as I like to call them) posting here to get attention if you can. :)
No one should feel the need to apologize for asking a question nor should they feel they need to tread softly. If a person came on and said "Sonar sucks, what else do you guys recommend?" well, that's just a poor delivery and doesn't really deserve any answer just like I wouldn't expect an answer if I posted a question of that nature on the Avid forum.
At the end of the day, people are going to use the forums the way they see fit. Some for entertainment in a good way, others in a bad way to just get a rise out of others who may be a bit more serious, some are here to learn, some to teach, some to help with Sonar problems. Just about all of us fall into 1 or some of those categories. It is what it is....if something looks or sounds ludicrous, shake your head and move on if you can. The more attention we give to people trying to ruffle feathers, the more it brings the forum down for everyone.
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 08:32:27
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" I seriously believe some of the people doing that have been planted here by our competition." i've thought that sometimes as well, but im trying to imagine whether cakewalk would do that, can you imagine that, getting a private message " here Danny want to do us all at cakewalk a favour, head over to the steinberg forums and troll for us, we'll pay with free software for it" you know lol
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 08:45:48
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Chregg
" I seriously believe some of the people doing that have been planted here by our competition." i've thought that sometimes as well, but im trying to imagine whether cakewalk would do that, can you imagine that, getting a private message " here Danny want to do us all at cakewalk a favour, head over to the steinberg forums and troll for us, we'll pay with free software for it" you know lol
Let's add "if you do this Danny, and you don't have to use your real name, we'll give you the latest version of Sonar for free" it changes quite a bit, doesn't it? LOL! Me personally, I'd decline on something like that. But give that same deal to a teen or adult that may not have $400 to spend on the software and it looks a bit more appealing. :) -Danny
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 08:54:33
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I remember a certain thread that I started in the Software subforum on Studio One awhile back that got locked up...gee, how things have changed.... 
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 09:19:42
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Simple fix trimph. Cake gets Sonar so smokin' hot, we all carry signatures that say "Sonar isn't your competition, it's just the better choice for serious musicians." ® 2013 Danny Danzi
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 09:26:44
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triumph come to think of it, did i not see you over at presonus headquarters, oops was i there as well lol
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RE: Is it possible thread. Shame.
2013/02/21 09:27:56
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trimph1
I remember a certain thread that I started in the Software subforum on Studio One awhile back that got locked up...gee, how things have changed....
I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with Sonar? If you want to complain about Studio One, go to their forum.  [You see what I did there?]
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2013/02/21 09:30:25
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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2013/02/21 09:31:25
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Simple fix trimph. Cake gets Sonar so smokin' hot, we all carry signatures that say "Sonar isn't your competition, it's just the better choice for serious musicians." ® 2013 Danny Danzi
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