sharke
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Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
If I have snap set to, say, 1/8th notes, the Aim Assist reading, when I'm just moving the cursor around, shows M:B:T locations which are perfectly aligned with those 1/8th notes. However, if I'm dragging a clip around to that same snap value, the Aim Assist reading shows M:B:T locations which are out by a few ticks. For instance, I just dragged a clip to bar 5. It snapped to bar 5 perfectly. But before I let go of the clip, Aim Assist was showing a reading of 5:1:020. And when I drag the clip to bar 3, even though the Aim Assist line is perfectly aligned with the bar, it's reading shows 3:1:040.
Surely this is a bug?
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 07:21:07
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I noticed this last night myself...
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 07:42:08
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C'mon, Sharke, you know why....this release is buggy as siht.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 10:55:22
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Now now....heh.
Bug it is then. Bit of a sloppy one that, bakers!
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 11:14:34
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that's a funny one... at least it snaps to the right location though! :D
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 15:32:58
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jamesyoyo
C'mon, Sharke, you know why....this release is buggy as siht.
i agree there needs to be some improvements; like in this perticuliar case,sharke is right,i think the aim asst line isnt working as it should,it seems to drop the clip where you want it. but the aim asst line seems to be off somewhere in the region of .004 - .0018. depending on your zooming properties. i think its directly involved with smart snap somehow(just a guess) and should be addressed. but taking pot shots at sonar isnt going to make you a better person james.It's also not going to fix your issues or mine. exspressing your concerns in a productive manner will. when i encounter an issue like this,i fill out a bug report.as im doing right now. do i enjoy doing that? not exactly,but what are my options? What am i going to do?
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 15:36:55
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sharke,this is your thread buddy,would you like to fill out the bug report or would you like me too?
its up to you man :)
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 15:46:40
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we can all do one! more people faster action, or so they say...
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 15:58:48
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chuckebaby
sharke,this is your thread buddy,would you like to fill out the bug report or would you like me too?
its up to you man :)
If you wouldn't mind chuckebaby! Away from my computer all day and I'm not even going to try to fill it out from my phone... Thanks!
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 16:44:43
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When moving anything in general, including the aim assist line, clips jump around weird, disappear some, land in wrong spot, and they don't line up nice visually half the time like Ableton where things move very elegantly.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 17:00:10
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chuckebaby
jamesyoyo
C'mon, Sharke, you know why....this release is buggy as siht.
i agree there needs to be some improvements;
like in this perticuliar case,sharke is right,i think the aim asst line isnt working as it should,it seems to drop the clip where you want it.
but the aim asst line seems to be off somewhere in the region of .004 - .0018. depending on your zooming properties.
i think its directly involved with smart snap somehow(just a guess) and should be addressed.
but taking pot shots at sonar isnt going to make you a better person james.It's also not going to fix your issues or mine.
exspressing your concerns in a productive manner will.
when i encounter an issue like this,i fill out a bug report.as im doing right now.
do i enjoy doing that? not exactly,but what are my options?
What am i going to do?
Chuck, he asked "why?" and I gave him the answer he already knew. Aim Assist used to work, and now it doesn't. That is the very definition of a bug. How is that taking any potshots at CW? I would say I have been a loyal customer of CW, own much of their software, and pay for upgrades every time. That gives me the right to express some disappointment over this latest bugfest of a release. Especially when I never really venture into this forum to complain.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 18:26:18
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jamesyoyo
chuckebaby
jamesyoyo
C'mon, Sharke, you know why....this release is buggy as siht.
i agree there needs to be some improvements;
like in this perticuliar case,sharke is right,i think the aim asst line isnt working as it should,it seems to drop the clip where you want it.
but the aim asst line seems to be off somewhere in the region of .004 - .0018. depending on your zooming properties.
i think its directly involved with smart snap somehow(just a guess) and should be addressed.
but taking pot shots at sonar isnt going to make you a better person james.It's also not going to fix your issues or mine.
exspressing your concerns in a productive manner will.
when i encounter an issue like this,i fill out a bug report.as im doing right now.
do i enjoy doing that? not exactly,but what are my options?
What am i going to do?
Chuck, he asked "why?" and I gave him the answer he already knew. Aim Assist used to work, and now it doesn't. That is the very definition of a bug. How is that taking any potshots at CW? I would say I have been a loyal customer of CW, own much of their software, and pay for upgrades every time. That gives me the right to express some disappointment over this latest bugfest of a release. Especially when I never really venture into this forum to complain.
are you really suggesting because you dont venture to this part of the forum that this somehow makes it right to drop in one liners,using words like that with two of the letters switched around?because when you say "especially" that's what it sounds like. I read this thread,tried to share my concerns and then tried to do the most productive thing i could. fill out a bug report. Im not even going to begin to insult you by disagreeing with your concerns,only in which the manner you presented it. i know your frustrated and i cant blame you. but i also cant help but think if everyone leaves a post like that around here,where are we? what gets done?i think cake watches this forum but they cant keep track of all the posts,so problems need to be reported. you might think"they know about this" well,im not going to take that chance thinking they know about this/that. im filling out a bug report. im sorry james,maybe i should have just left this thread alone and let you blow off some steam,but i thought you did that in your thread "The viredict;X2 is not good and buggy as all heck". i can tell,you are still very displeased. I even did my best to ask if you needed help in that thread and mentioned it more than once that i have a lot of respect for you. i do. The word in your post gives it a whole new meaning. that word means "Waste"."Garbage","Throw away". i dont feel that way. sometimes in life two good people also disagree on something they feel strongly about. im guessing this is one of those times. i hope you didnt take anything ive said as being disrespectful.because i do respect you. i just disagree with you on this one post. strongly i stand but not stronger than you,just equally.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 18:37:29
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Lanceindastudio
When moving anything in general, including the aim assist line, clips jump around weird, disappear some, land in wrong spot, and they don't line up nice visually half the time like Ableton where things move very elegantly.
Lance
That sounds like a description of the issues I'm seeing (admittedly not restricted to X2 as I have seen them in X1 too and occasionally before that version). I posted about it here on the forums but surprised that no-one else is seeing this or admitting to it: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2786010 As usual I workaround these things, but I'd love to know if there's a way to minimize the issue.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 18:38:14
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I thinks it's something to do with the new fruity adaptive snap. It's like there is a ghost in the machine that changes the sanp settings when I'm not looking or when I change views or something. Along with the faulty scrub tool it is an annoyance.
Also, why does aim assist disappear when you go up to the timeline- what the hey?
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 18:41:55
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I thinks it's something to do with the new fruity adaptive snap. It's like there is a ghost in the machine that changes the sanp settings when I'm not looking or when I change views or something. +1000. That is a huge problem for me right now. There is simply no explanation of how or why, behavior-wise, this happens. Turning off the Smart Grid, turning it on, nothing seems to work.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 18:48:04
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Swear to God, I've actually sat here and watched the front edge of midi notes in PRV change ever so slightly before my eyes without so much as my hand on the mouse. I don't know if it's a screen refresh thing and the graphics are playing catch up to where the midi data actually is, or what's going on, but that's something new in X2a that I haven't noticed before. Maybe there's some kind of timing issue that's going on?
I don't send in Trouble Reports on each and every little thing I come across like this. I scour the forums and see if see others reporting similar problems to me before I send in anything. But, it seems like there's a concerted effort to stop that kind of open dialog and discussion here and it's not right.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 18:49:06
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chuckebaby
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chuckebaby
jamesyoyo
C'mon, Sharke, you know why....this release is buggy as siht.
i agree there needs to be some improvements;
like in this perticuliar case,sharke is right,i think the aim asst line isnt working as it should,it seems to drop the clip where you want it.
but the aim asst line seems to be off somewhere in the region of .004 - .0018. depending on your zooming properties.
i think its directly involved with smart snap somehow(just a guess) and should be addressed.
but taking pot shots at sonar isnt going to make you a better person james.It's also not going to fix your issues or mine.
exspressing your concerns in a productive manner will.
when i encounter an issue like this,i fill out a bug report.as im doing right now.
do i enjoy doing that? not exactly,but what are my options?
What am i going to do?
Chuck, he asked "why?" and I gave him the answer he already knew. Aim Assist used to work, and now it doesn't. That is the very definition of a bug. How is that taking any potshots at CW? I would say I have been a loyal customer of CW, own much of their software, and pay for upgrades every time. That gives me the right to express some disappointment over this latest bugfest of a release. Especially when I never really venture into this forum to complain.
are you really suggesting because you dont venture to this part of the forum that this somehow makes it right to drop in one liners,using words like that with two of the letters switched around?because when you say "especially" that's what it sounds like.
I read this thread,tried to share my concerns and then tried to do the most productive thing i could.
fill out a bug report.
Im not even going to begin to insult you by disagreeing with your concerns,only in which the manner you presented it.
i know your frustrated and i cant blame you.
but i also cant help but think if everyone leaves a post like that around here,where are we?
what gets done?i think cake watches this forum but they cant keep track of all the posts,so problems need to be reported.
you might think"they know about this" well,im not going to take that chance thinking they know about this/that.
im filling out a bug report.
im sorry james,maybe i should have just left this thread alone and let you blow off some steam,but i thought you did that in your thread "The viredict;X2 is not good and buggy as all heck". i can tell,you are still very displeased.
I even did my best to ask if you needed help in that thread and mentioned it more than once that i have a lot of respect for you.
i do.
The word in your post gives it a whole new meaning.
that word means "Waste"."Garbage","Throw away".
i dont feel that way.
sometimes in life two good people also disagree on something they feel strongly about.
im guessing this is one of those times.
i hope you didnt take anything ive said as being disrespectful.because i do respect you.
i just disagree with you on this one post.
strongly i stand but not stronger than you,just equally.
You do indeed have your point of view, Chuck, as I have mine. Frankly, I think you are getting a tad worked up about basically nothing. It seems half the threads on this forum have been about real honest to goodness problems that should have been caught in QA. It is not my job to fill out bug reports and make excuses for them. If I want to vent or even perhaps drop a snarky funny line here and there, its a free country. Peace.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 19:11:19
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We Cakewalk employees have pretty fragile feelings and there are secret beta testers among you that work really hard to help us release solid products. It''s cool to vent, but please be respectful while doing so.
I've logged this issue. Fortunately, it's only a UI problem. Events do snap to the correct location. The Aim Assist report is just a few ticks off, and that is a bug we'll try to address.
Thanks.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 19:24:54
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Bill Jackson [Cakewalk
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We Cakewalk employees have pretty fragile feelings and there are secret beta testers among you that work really hard to help us release solid products. It''s cool to vent, but please be respectful while doing so.
I've logged this issue. Fortunately, it's only a UI problem. Events do snap to the correct location. The Aim Assist report is just a few ticks off, and that is a bug we'll try to address.
Thanks.
I meant no disrespect, but your response kinda proves my point, no? 
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 20:07:12
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I meant no disrespect, but your response kinda proves my point, no? You mean that "this release is buggy as siht"? 
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 20:13:47
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Bill Jackson [Cakewalk
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We Cakewalk employees have pretty fragile feelings and there are secret beta testers among you that work really hard to help us release solid products. It''s cool to vent, but please be respectful while doing so.
I've logged this issue. Fortunately, it's only a UI problem. Events do snap to the correct location. The Aim Assist report is just a few ticks off, and that is a bug we'll try to address.
Thanks.
I meant no disrespect, but your response kinda proves my point, no?
I'm not sure why Bill's response proves your point that sonar is "as buggy as s##t", or that "they don't venture into this forum" or that it's not your job to fill out bug reports.. So, no..
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 20:18:29
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jb- it's not the end users job to file bug reports. We are not getting paid for it.
There is a cluster of minor bugs associated with snap and aim assist(in my opinion). Cakewalk should sort it out because it is a salient feature and quite obvious to anyone who uses the program even casually.
Shouldn't get too precious about internet criticism either.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 20:29:25
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Well as long as it's getting fixed I'm happy. I always wonder how these quite obvious bugs don't get noticed during development however. I'm not having a go at Cakewalk in particular, I notice these kinds of things in most commercial software. I still see stupid bugs in MS Outlook that I noticed as long ago as 2007.
Having said that I used to paint houses for a living. And no matter how careful we thought we were being, we'd nearly always get called back by the punter to touch up something we couldn't believe we'd missed the first time around.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 20:30:17
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jb- it's not the end users job to file bug reports. We are not getting paid for it.
There is a cluster of minor bugs associated with snap and aim assist(in my opinion). Cakewalk should sort it out because it is a salient feature and quite obvious to anyone who uses the program even casually.
Shouldn't get to precious about internet criticism either.
You're right, backwoods, it's not. That was not my intention. I understand the issues as someone who uses the program at least casually. I was merely begging the question of how Bill's response proved jamesyoy's point. Sorry if I have misunderstood.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 20:31:28
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stevec
I meant no disrespect, but your response kinda proves my point, no?
You mean that "this release is buggy as siht"?
Indeed I do mean that. jb101
jamesyoyo
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk
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We Cakewalk employees have pretty fragile feelings and there are secret beta testers among you that work really hard to help us release solid products. It''s cool to vent, but please be respectful while doing so.
I've logged this issue. Fortunately, it's only a UI problem. Events do snap to the correct location. The Aim Assist report is just a few ticks off, and that is a bug we'll try to address.
Thanks.
I meant no disrespect, but your response kinda proves my point, no?
I'm not sure why Bill's response proves your point that sonar is "as buggy as s##t", or that "they don't venture into this forum" or that it's not your job to fill out bug reports..
So, no..
Don't be a wiseguy...I said it was the Aim Assist was buggy, somehow got reprimanded for saying it, and then CW guy said it was buggy. I have been using Sonar since ver 6. I have been through all the previous versions' bugs. For ANYONE to say I can't express some mild dissatisfaction with the current bugged-out version of a product I have supported, and exclusively used, for years needs a remedial course on the principles of the seller/buyer dynamic.
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Re:Why doesn't Aim Assist show the correct location when dragging a clip?
2013/02/21 20:42:05
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jamesyoyo
stevec
I meant no disrespect, but your response kinda proves my point, no?
You mean that "this release is buggy as siht"?
Indeed I do mean that.
jb101
jamesyoyo
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk
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We Cakewalk employees have pretty fragile feelings and there are secret beta testers among you that work really hard to help us release solid products. It''s cool to vent, but please be respectful while doing so.
I've logged this issue. Fortunately, it's only a UI problem. Events do snap to the correct location. The Aim Assist report is just a few ticks off, and that is a bug we'll try to address.
Thanks.
I meant no disrespect, but your response kinda proves my point, no?
I'm not sure why Bill's response proves your point that sonar is "as buggy as s##t", or that "they don't venture into this forum" or that it's not your job to fill out bug reports..
So, no..
Don't be a wiseguy...I said it was the Aim Assist was buggy, somehow got reprimanded for saying it, and then CW guy said it was buggy. I have been using Sonar since ver 6. I have been through all the previous versions' bugs. For ANYONE to say I can't express some mild dissatisfaction with the current bugged-out version of a product I have supported, and exclusively used, for years needs a remedial course on the principles of the seller/buyer dynamic.
I had no intention of telling you what you could or could not say. I pointed out that I did not see the connection between Bill's post and your response. Who reprimanded you about pointing out a bug? It certainly wasn't me. I think someone took issue with how you stated it. Again, not me. What is it with you people? And as for "Wiseguy".. well.. 
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