PSYN Language

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2013/02/22 13:44:30 (permalink)

PSYN Language

Hoping someone out there can help me with this.
I have a track I made agas ago that I decided could do with speeding up a little so I've raised it from 100 bpm to 110bpm.
It has PSYN 2 loaded and it think I must have set the tempo at 00 bpm because that was pretty much what the patch loaded is psyn was running at. I have tried to enable plug in as tempo based effect though I'm not sure if I've been successful as the patch horribly out of syc and lagging. When I bring up the plug in manager to get to the plug in properties it seems I can only do so for VSTi's and not directX instruments, the plug in properties remains greyed out for all directX plugs. Looking at the patch I have loaded in psyn I don't see any way of speeding it up which is weird.

Maybe some psyn experts out there can tell me how or if it can be done. The patch in question is, A043:0pening.
I don't see anywhere to speed it up and it's making me go prematurely grey 


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    Re:PSYN Language 2013/02/22 15:17:34 (permalink)
    Maybe some psyn experts out there can tell me how or if it can be done. The patch in question is, A043:0pening.  I don't see anywhere to speed it up ...

     
    The distinctive parts of that preset happen in the LFOs.  Those are already set to sync to a tempo division.  If they were set to OFF, then the rates would be frequency-dependent.
     
    The EG envelopes (overall amplitude and filter sweep) are locked to time in milliseconds.  There's no way to sync that to tempo.  That *might* be what you're referring to, but I have a feeling that it's deeper than that.
     
    Have you tried to Replace Synth with PSYN II (over your saved instance)?  That will bring back the defaults, in case something got tweaked and locked into saved persistence.  That's all I can think of at the moment.
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    Re:PSYN Language 2013/02/22 15:26:37 (permalink)
    Thanks b rock

    I enabled it as a tempo based plug in via the global options, folder defaults which doesn't seem a like a very intellegent method but it didn't seem to make a difference so I loaded another instance of psyn, routed the midi track to that one and it seems to be keeping up a little better. It's really annoying as I really like that patch but no matter what tempo it's at it never seems perfectly in sync and has always dragged a little. 

    If you check out the track, Reckless Angel" on soundcloud you can hear it but I've got other stuff going on so it's less noticeable but even if others don't hear it, I know it's there 


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    Re:PSYN Language 2013/02/22 19:43:13 (permalink)
    Wow, you actually found a PSYN guru, as requested! I didn't think there'd be any around. Congratulations, b rock, for still having all your brain cells intact after all this time. Must have been drinking red wine (see sharke's coffeehouse thread). 

    SONAR x64 can't bridge 32-bit DX instruments, so you'll need to be running the 32-bit version of SONAR.

    If your computer has been upgraded since 2003, which it hopefully has, the old PSYN.DLL may no longer be registered. Assuming it's still on disk, you should be able to register it with REGSVR32.EXE. I would expect it to be loadable by recent versions (32-bit) of SONAR.


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    Re:PSYN Language 2013/02/27 11:36:13 (permalink)

    Congratulations, b rock, for still having all your brain cells intact after all this time.

     
    I continue to sustain collateral damage in the pursuit of creativity, Bit.  Acceptable losses for the short term.  Now, in the "better late than never" category:
     

    It's really annoying as I really like that patch but no matter what tempo it's at it never seems perfectly in sync and has always dragged a little.

     
    It should be fairly straightforward to figure out what's bothering you here.  There are 3 tempo-divided LFOs (labeled 1, 2, 3 on the right side of the LFO section).  Each one "shares" the On-Off switch to the left.  So, click on (LFO) 1 - Pitch, then switch it on & off.  Do the same for LFO 2 - Cutoff 1 & LFO 3 - Reso 2.  If these are problematic, you should be able to narrow it down by the process of elimination.
     
    The Amp EG is a relative non-player in tempo arena for this preset.  You'll want to focus on EG 1 (the Cutoff 2 filter sweep here).  As I said above, the EGs aren't tempo-sync'ed.  The default preset Attack time is 1806.8 ms.  That's about 3/4 of a measure at 100 BPM.  When raising tempo to 110 BPM, you'll want to adjust the filter Attack time, too.  (Here's where a BPM - Time - Frequencies calculator comes in handy.)
     
    At 110 BPM, a 1/2 note will be about 1090.9 ms.  A full measure will be close to 2182 ms., a 1/4 note at 545.45 ms., and so on.  You won't get exactly there with PSYN parameter adjustments, but you can get much closer.  Left-click & hold on the Attack control (bringing up the ToolTip), then use the Up/Down arrow keys or mouse wheel for finer adjustments.
     
    In Sonar, you'll want to enable "Give All Keystrokes to Plugin" for this process.  The envelope generators initiate with a note onset, so it's also going to depend on the timing of your input (be that live keyboard or PRV entries).
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