Mix and Match RAM question

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Mix and Match RAM question

It has been surmised that I need to upgrade my memory to possibly alleviate some weird experiences I'm having with Sonar. So, I want to upgrade from 4 to 8 GB. However, the memory I installed originally is not available any more. I can find PC2 6400 RAM still, but not in the same timing as I currently have, which is 5-4-4. How important is it to have the exact same timing on the add on memory? Options I'm finding now are 4-4-4-15, 5-5-5-15, and 6-6-6-15. If it's OK to mix, which would be the best option? Thanks.

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    Chregg
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:02:35 (permalink)
    i reckon it will cause instability issues that, what about the voltages, are they different, if so, then give it a miss, could fry the lower voltage ram that
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:15:19 (permalink)
    Found the voltage on the OCZ website. So, you're saying if the voltage is the same, I should be OK? The motherboard manual does indicate there can be two pairs of RAM installed with different capacity, brand, speed and chips per pair.  

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:23:44 (permalink)
    do you know the brand and model of the ram in your computer, try these http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html http://www.crucial.com/uk/systemscanner/ scan might tell you without opening your machine up
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:29:51 (permalink)
    Always use matched RAM. That means buy it at the same time and the same type and from the same maker. Never mix and match. 

    Even using RAM from the same maker and type but bought at different times is risky. 

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:41:38 (permalink)
    It is best to have the same manufacturer but you can safely have two different manufacturers if each set of ram is the same. Another words a pair of 4gb IBM and a pair of 4gb Kingston. The most important part is that they match. for example both are DDR3 SDRAM 1333 240-Pin Desktop Memory.
     
     
     
     

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:50:02 (permalink)
    "for example both are DDR3 SDRAM 1333 240-Pin Desktop Memory. " if they both have different timings then there will be issues, same with voltage
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:53:55 (permalink)
    I'm having difficulty finding anything with the same 2.1 voltage, much less the same timing. Might be a hopeless case for me, unless I just spring for all new 8GB of RAM, which I don't really want to do.

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:55:28 (permalink)
    aye just get your self new ram, if you start mixing and matching, then have problems, you live and you learn
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:55:56 (permalink)
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    It is best to have the same manufacturer but you can safely have two different manufacturers if each set of ram is the same. Another words a pair of 4gb IBM and a pair of 4gb Kingston. The most important part is that they match. for example both are DDR3 SDRAM 1333 240-Pin Desktop Memory.
     
     
     
     


    Sorry, I don't agree. RAM timings are really in a range. They are not absolute. Thats why one ram module may over clock well and another wont with the same specs. Matched RAM gets by this because when bought together they very likely will have been made with the same run. Its highly unlikely RAM from two different makers will perform identically even with the same specs. Though they should but why take the chance?

     

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 17:58:00 (permalink)
    +1
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 18:04:25 (permalink)
    Here's my take on it ...

    Look in your motherboard manual. It will tell you what RAM has been tested with your motherboard.

    Type that part number in to Newegg.com's search box, or wherever you buy your parts, and get what has been tested with your motherboard.

    I always replace my RAM all together, I never mix/match. I have no facts and figures to back why I do that, but I always feel more comfortable doing it that way.

    I'll never buy Corsair again FWIW.

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 18:06:12 (permalink)
    If you're *lucky* mixing RAM will work ok...
    But... you dramatically increase the odds of RAM related problems by mixing.

    If you're looking for a trouble-free rock-solid DAW, as John mentioned, avoid mixing RAM.

    RAM prices aren't too bad right now.
    Get matching RAM... install it... and be sure to test it.
    Don't assume that because it's new that all is well.
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 18:12:42 (permalink)
    Thanks, everyone. I found some used RAM on eBay that's the same brand and model as what I currently have, so I might go that route and hope it all works well together.

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 18:15:16 (permalink)
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    If you're *lucky* mixing RAM will work ok...
    But... you dramatically increase the odds of RAM related problems by mixing.

    If you're looking for a trouble-free rock-solid DAW, as John mentioned, avoid mixing RAM.

    RAM prices aren't too bad right now.
    Get matching RAM... install it... and be sure to test it.
    Don't assume that because it's new that all is well.


    Correct. You may not have a problem but the best thing to do is to replace with all new memory especially with a DAW or any software that is a resource hog.

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 18:47:32 (permalink)
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    Thanks, everyone. I found some used RAM on eBay that's the same brand and model as what I currently have, so I might go that route and hope it all works well together.

    Mark
    hopefully your getting this ram used because its too hard to find,new ram is almost at an all time low.
    if possible,buy new ram or youll be in the same boat your in now in sooner than you think.
    my advice,dont buy something as important as ram at a yard sale.
     
    Best of luck on this,
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 18:49:38 (permalink)
    Picking up 8 gigs of new, matched DDR3 isn't going to cost a lot and RAM is sooooo important.  I shelled out for a 16GB package of that fancy Corsair Vengeance stuff with the wacky heatsinks and I think it was only $90. The Kingston, Samsung, etc kits were hovering around $50-60 IIRC. Not exactly a huge wallet hit for something so crucial.

    And used RAM? From ebay? IDK, dude. Sounds like trouble.
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 19:03:59 (permalink)
    I bought 16gb Kingston HyperX  at $116.

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 19:07:59 (permalink)
    What's HyperX? Sounds fancy.
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 19:43:21 (permalink)
    I eventually got the Kingston RAM that my motherboard manufacturer recommended. When I put the system together, I went with Newegg's 'bundle' items. Big mistake.

    It was $16 bucks per 2GB stick. I originally had 8GB, but since I never even went over 1GB of usage in Sonar ... I went with 4GB. Cost me $32 bucks for 4GB.

    I had gone though 3 sets of 4x2GB sticks of that Corsair XMS RAM. All of it was bad. It was $182 for 8GB. After the third bad set Newegg let me switch brands and credited me the difference.

    Nair a'gin will I purchase a single bit of Corsair RAM.

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 19:53:49 (permalink)
    For the "What's It's Worth Department", I just purchased a cheap Lenovo desktop that came with 4 GB of RAM. I went to Crucial.com and let it scan my PC and purchased a 4GB stick of DDR3 memory for $27.88, stuck it in, and it seems to have no problems with it.  Seems to run the computer and Sonar X2 great!

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 19:58:48 (permalink)
    My system's a little older and requires SDRAM DDR2 800, which isn't so cheap and is harder to find, particularly a match. I'll price it around and see if I'll be better off getting all 8GB new. Thanks for the comments.

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/23 20:14:15 (permalink)
    mwall

    My system's a little older and requires SDRAM DDR2 800, which isn't so cheap and is harder to find, particularly a match. I'll price it around and see if I'll be better off getting all 8GB new. Thanks for the comments.
    I just did a quick search on Newegg for it.


    The first thing to come up was Kingston RAM and it said it was "System Specific" and listed different versions for different manufacturers.


    Never saw that in a RAM description before. If I were you I would find my motherboard manual and research it really good before you buy something.


    Good luck.


    Bub.





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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/24 08:04:43 (permalink)
    mwall


    My system's a little older and requires SDRAM DDR2 800, which isn't so cheap and is harder to find, particularly a match. I'll price it around and see if I'll be better off getting all 8GB new. Thanks for the comments.


    Is this your ram specs?  4GB (2x2 GB) DDR2 800 MHz PC2-6400 Desktop DIMM Memory Module Dual Channel Kit - MD4096KD2-800  

    Price: $44.27 each kit

    Amazon.com 
      
      Compatible with PC2-6400 (800 MHz), PC2-5300 (667 MHz), and PC2-4200 (533 MHz) systems 
      
      http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Optima-PC2-6400-Desktop-Channel/dp/B001ISJ964/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1361710816&sr=1-1&keywords=ddr2+sdram+800
     

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/24 11:47:06 (permalink)
    Nair a'gin will I purchase a single bit of Corsair RAM.



    And here, Corsair XMS has been solid here. What board you have Bub?

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/24 12:22:23 (permalink)
    Yes make all your ram the same...You can run mismatched sets...but it will cause problems...and or the slower brand will be made the standard for all...in my cause notes....overclocking might work for a while...but then the bios will complain about the overclocking of em, and ask that you make the necessary change....

    Not that I Over clock...but with my recent buy and try..buying different brands to make the system post...was futile...Now I have two brands working in a third replacement board...but complaining...so I took out the lessor for the greator...And no more problems booting up with messages about oc memory.!.

    Hope that helps.
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/24 12:47:42 (permalink)
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    Nair a'gin will I purchase a single bit of Corsair RAM.
    And here, Corsair XMS has been solid here. What board you have Bub?
    Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Revision 1.0.
    The XMS RAM I used was recommended by Newegg as part of a bundle and has a 3 out of 5 Egg rating. EDIT: I'm wrong about the rating, it's 4 out of 5.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145260



    It's cheap now, but it wasn't 4 years ago when I bought it.


    Here's the Kingston I ended up getting ... unfortunately it's discontinued.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134812

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/24 13:04:13 (permalink)
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    It has been surmised that I need to upgrade my memory to possibly alleviate some weird experiences I'm having with Sonar. So, I want to upgrade from 4 to 8 GB. However, the memory I installed originally is not available any more. I can find PC2 6400 RAM still, but not in the same timing as I currently have, which is 5-4-4. How important is it to have the exact same timing on the add on memory? Options I'm finding now are 4-4-4-15, 5-5-5-15, and 6-6-6-15. If it's OK to mix, which would be the best option? Thanks.

    I wouldn't mix myself... I had a hard time recently even getting a brandy new gigabyte z77 board to recognize a 4x8GB pack of corsair vengeance... even with XMP config, I had to fiddle around in the BIOS to get the timings set right... PITA if you ask me, these high falootin' computers with their fancy pants RAM chips...


    I have an unopened pack of OCZ PC2-6400 (Titanium Edition) 2x2GB running 4-4-4 @2.2V here... If it helps I could send it to you if you want to try before buy sorta thing... figure you might be able to just run at your current timings (or higher) and undervolt these new sticks... keep in mind, the 4-4-4 and 2.2V go hand in hand, but that doesn't mean you can't undervolt, etc., to match things up. I certainly wouldn't overvolt your old chips... Let me know, and I can drop them in the post, and if they work perfrectly for you I promise I won't ask for more than... $175 or so for the pair... :)
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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/24 16:47:19 (permalink)
    Thanks, Keith. $175 is more than I could get all new 8GB sticks for. But I appreciate the offer. And yes, BobV, I saw those on Amazon, and those specs would work in my system, but they don't match my current set, so I'd have to get two sets of those and just take out my old ones, which I just might end up doing. Thanks.

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    Re:Mix and Match RAM question 2013/02/24 19:17:58 (permalink)
    I was joking about the $175, of course... they're unused now and likely to go unused, so I'd be happy to mail them to you and you can pop them in and see if you can mix them with what you have now... if so, I'd recommend first installing the mix and seeing if the mobo can auto-select volt and timing for you (but even if things appear to work, check the settings anyway). If that doesn't work, set the volts at your current 2.1V (or even lower) and set the timings to something safe like 9-9-9-24... If you want to try it out before dropping coin on ebay let me know... if it does work out and you feel obligated to repay me in some way, I will accept a $20 cash donation to your local animal shelter or other charity of your choosing... :)

    PM me if you want to give it a go...
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