How to connect 2 or more keyboards to Sonar

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How to connect 2 or more keyboards to Sonar

I am trying to research how to connect my two keyboards so that Sonar can recognize them as separate devices and allow me to compose to each separately.  Right now I have a Korg M3 and a Roland VP-770.  I have an M-Audio "Fast Track Ultra" as the MIDI interface - which is connected via USB to my computer.  The keyboards are connected via MIDI cables.  Right now I can successfully connect Sonar to one at a time - but not together.  I believe what I'm having difficulty understanding are channels and how to access them. The MIDI devices in Sonar only give me 16 channels to work with.  What I'd like to end up with is a track view that shows me 32 tracks - with 16 going to one keyboard and 16 going to the other... and a total of 32 independent voices all playing at once... until I get a 3rd keyboard and have 48 voices in the same manner.  Can anyone give me advice and/or point me to some good MIDI training resources?  The help files in Sonar have helped to connect a single keyboard - but I need more now.  Do I need multiple MIDI interfaces - one for each keyboard?  Should I just connect my synths via their USB directly into the computer and skip the MIDI interface?
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    spacealf
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    Re:How to connect 2 or more keyboards to Sonar 2013/02/23 22:58:32 (permalink)
    Well, I would say (and I do not use MIDI anymore) that each unit has an ID unit number. Can not exactly recall where it starts at - 16 or 17 but probably 17 and goes up to 32. So I would say that you have to send an Sys(tem) Exclusive Message from each synth on each track to know what synth you are using, and then you have to set the synth up using a different ID unit number. First synth - unit ID 17, second synth unit ID 18, third synth unit ID 19, which can be set on each synth. So in the end you can have 16 different unit ID numbers and 16 channels on each synth (1-16 on each one but with the different ID unit number attached to the message to begin with) so you can end up with 16 x 16 or 256 total MIDI tracks. I think you can plug a MIDI out into a MIDI thru or so and make sure that you are sending the MIDI message and unit number of the synth you are playing, but still to end up playing it all you would have to send all channels and unit ID numbers back out to the synths and set up a Performance Patch on each one, or perhaps make all the MIDI tracks into separate audio tracks in Sonar I guess. Since I have never done that part of it, then I suppose someone else around this forum has. But then converting a MIDI track to an audio track on the fly (as the way I understand it) leaves a difficult task for any computer after a certain amount of tracks. Sending back out to each synth connected and all plugged into a Mixer via the Direct Outs or Line Outs of the synth (and each one) would play all the tracks just leaving them MIDI in Sonar. If using Windows soft-synth in Windows, only 16 channels will you ever have if they are hooked up for general MIDI in the first place. (usually I think they are but not always in the past.) And in Sonar then you have your MIDI Assignments in a menu item and what MIDI instrument you want to use, but again I think that is only for 16 channels at the most. Sending out Sys Exclusive message for each synth and playing back on each synth in a Performance Patch no problem, doing it the other way and using soft-synths in Sonar or something like that then a lot of CPU power has to be used or else it will quit working probably when overloaded with too many tracks. ------------------------------------------------------------- Actually all I do anymore is send the output jacks (line out) into my audio interface and record the synth directly like a wave file recording into Sonar. If using different synths I hook up the synth I am going to use to the inputs into Sonar and then record a wave file recording like a regular recording.
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    Re:How to connect 2 or more keyboards to Sonar 2013/02/23 23:06:36 (permalink)
    If you are wondering about timing and such playing such an audio track like a wave file into the recording to record it, then yes, timing can be helped even with a wave file (zero crossing point cut and slice and nudge) and even wrong notes although with wrong notes not so good as a pitch shifter does not really sound so good or do more than one note (only one note passage can be done, not several notes all in the same measure and beat).--------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, it may take a little more practice, but then it ends up the same as doing MIDI and fixing that and all of that as editing a wave file and doing any of that. Just want you get use to.
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    Re:How to connect 2 or more keyboards to Sonar 2013/02/24 10:39:22 (permalink)
    The FTU only has one set of MIDI I/Os, right?
    The Roland only has MIDI I/O.
    The KORG has USB MIDI.
    I would connect the Roland to the FTU and the KORG to the computer with USB, since that seems to be the only way to do it without buying more stuff.
    You may have to get updated drivers for the KORG USB for your operating system.
    Welcome to the forum. too.

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