Experiencing some odd PRV behavior

Okay so I'm working on a song in Sonar X2a in the PRV Drum Grid and when I right click to drag a rectangle to select some notes on the snare drum grid row, any notes on the Kick Drum row that fall horizontally with the rectangle get selected as well, even though vertically the selection rectangle is no where near the Kick drum row. Of course the problem being moving the snare notes is also moving the kick notes, which of course is not what I want, otherwise I would have extended the selection rectangle around the kick notes as well. This doesn't seem to be an issue with any of the other drum instrument rows, just the kick. The only soltution I've found is to hold down the Ctrl key and drag around the selected kick notes, thereby deselecting them, which is a PITA.
 
Is this a bug? Is has to be since it doesn't make any sense for any notes outside of the selection lasso to get selected.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks
 
JTW

Very well done chuck- you've got a knack for it I think. Great pacing and presentation.

chuckebaby


perfect time to show my new video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ

heres the scoop,
if you clicked anywhere in the right (where the instruments are labeled)
like snare/bass drum/hihat/ exc, this highlights the whole row.
you may somehow be selecting this whole row somehow with out knowing it.
try this next time,before you do your right/click to lasso...click anywhere on the time line in the PRV to reset it(but not on any notes.)

watch this video,and see how after i right click lasso a bunch of notes,i often click away afterwards to reset selections.

That is one of the very best videos I have yet seen. You have a talent for explaining things. Well done Charlie.

John

chuckebaby


perfect time to show my new video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ

heres the scoop,
if you clicked anywhere in the right (where the instruments are labeled)
like snare/bass drum/hihat/ exc, this highlights the whole row.
you may somehow be selecting this whole row somehow with out knowing it.
try this next time,before you do your right/click to lasso...click anywhere on the time line in the PRV to reset it(but not on any notes.)

watch this video,and see how after i right click lasso a bunch of notes,i often click away afterwards to reset selections.

That is one of the very best videos I have yet seen. You have a talent for explaining things. Well done Charlie.

now i am extremely humbled.
seriously,that means a lot john,thank you big time.
 
Same to you backwoods,no joke guys,that means a lot.

John


Its just the truth Charlie.

You pack a lot of information into a short video. You don't make the viewer feel stupid either. Some vids are a little condescending and boring. That one was not. 

You explained what you were doing as you did it and why. That is invaluable.

And you were extremely clear. What more can anyone ask? Even though you covered all that you wanted to cover you left the viewer wanting more. This is a known understanding of general entertainment but it also applies to instructional material too. You come away thinking, WOW, whens the next one!   

It has great production values too. You know what I mean. 

the amount of respect i have for you,this just really blows me away.
youve always been the one ive looked towards on this forum.
when i first came here,looking at that date:11-06-2003
i thought this is the guy to look up to when i need a question answered.
 
thats why i am so humbled.
i will leave it there as you should to before we get emotional.   :)
 
youll always have my respect john

Okay, I've done some experimenting and the issue appears to be resolved.
 
But first let me say to Charlie, great video man! Have you made others? If not you should. That was a very clear and concise explantion of basic drum programming in PRV.
 
Now back to the issue I was having. The difference between what I was doing and what Charlie shows in his video is that, from the "Notes" menu in the PRV, I have "Show Durations" unchecked, and "Show Velocity Tails" checked, which shows the little triangles with the vertical velocity tails instead of the rectangles as you would normally see with a non-percussion MIDI track in which duration is relevent.
When I swapped the display to the rectangles, lassoing worked correctly as it always has. And now for the real kicker, I set the note display back to the little triangles with the velocity tails and now lassoing is working correctly with that as well. I've tested over and over and lassoing snare notes just as I described above is no longer picking up kick drum notes down below the selection rectangle.
 
This tells me that I ran into some little quick that screwed up the lassoing and resetting the note display has somehow "reset" it and all is well.
 
Thanks again for your help Charlie and once again, great video!
 
JTW

jtwinpcola


Okay, I've done some experimenting and the issue appears to be resolved.
 
But first let me say to Charlie, great video man! Have you made others? If not you should. That was a very clear and concise explantion of basic drum programming in PRV.
 
Now back to the issue I was having. The difference between what I was doing and what Charlie shows in his video is that, from the "Notes" menu in the PRV, I have "Show Durations" unchecked, and "Show Velocity Tails" checked, which shows the little triangles with the vertical velocity tails instead of the rectangles as you would normally see with a non-percussion MIDI track in which duration is relevent.
When I swapped the display to the rectangles, lassoing worked correctly as it always has. And now for the real kicker, I set the note display back to the little triangles with the velocity tails and now lassoing is working correctly with that as well. I've tested over and over and lassoing snare notes just as I described above is no longer picking up kick drum notes down below the selection rectangle.
 
This tells me that I ran into some little quick that screwed up the lassoing and resetting the note display has somehow "reset" it and all is well.
 
Thanks again for your help Charlie and once again, great video!
 
JTW

glad to hear all is worked out and moving forward,
 
Dont be a stranger  :)

chuckebaby - great video!  right to the point. I have been doing midi drums for a long time and i still learned a few things from your video.

Great video Charlie and some very useful techniques described.

I've been programming drums in Sonar since 2007, and I still learnt a couple of new things.